Re: *term -ls, a summary
On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 03:33:47PM +0800, Isaac To wrote:
> >>>>> "Manfred" == Manfred Wassmann
> >>>>> <debian-devel@NCC-1701.B.Shuttle.de> writes:
> Manfred> I am fully aware of that distinction, that is why I wan't (and
> Manfred> do) have my xterms started with -ls. All I want is *one*
> Manfred> option in *one* place for all desktop
> Manfred> environments/window-managers/terminal-emulators to set this
> Manfred> behaviour.
> Just place the modification in .bashrc (everything in the same place)?
It works but ... aesthetically bad. This is parsed every time
interactive sub-shell is invoked. You do not need to export environment
over and over.
> Manfred> The current situation really sucks. We have more than a dozen
> Manfred> terminal emulators and about the same amount of window
> Manfred> managers/desktop environments and you have to configure each of
> Manfred> them seperatly. And everytime you start a different one you are
> Manfred> stuck with that bloody default.
> Only if the you take the view of the standing you expressed in an earlier
> mail (below). But then, how many times does you "start a different one"
> (i.e., how many times do you switch to use another terminal emulator)?
Everytime invoking new terminal :)
$ xterm &
$ kterm &
> The system should be clean enough...
> .xsession (or whatever): should really source .xinitrc after setting the
Why .xsession? But "whatever" part, I agree. I use .xenvironment as I
described elsewhere :)
.xinitrc is customization file for /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc which is only
used by startx. .xsession is customization file for /etc/X11/Xsession
/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc is just ". /etc/X11/Xsession"
> .xinitrc: everything that you want to appear everytime you see X
Works only for startx (xinit).
> .profile: should really source .bashrc after setting the environment.
> .bashrc: everything that you want to happen in every interactive bash
This approach ensures functionality you wants but is likely to execute
redundant codes. That's why all the serious debian people was talking
> .login: should really source .cshrc after setting the environment.
> .tcshrc: everything that you want to happen in every tcsh instance.
Same as .bashrc situation.
> There are actually quite a few places that Debian didn't support the above
> view. E.g., xsession is always executed, no matter whether it is from a
> display manager or from startx.
Because /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc is just ". /etc/X11/Xsession".
> Well, I can change my config files, but... why Debian itself cannot be
> more consistent?
Debian is consistent. It just has different idea from your idea.
I understand problem of Debian is not consistency but lack of some
reasonable/helpful default behaviors/features for the concern of
securities and for the love of minimalist configuration.
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