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>debian-devel-digest Digest				Volume 102 : Issue 138

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>Today's Topics:
>  interesting times installing 2.4.17   [ jg@pa.dec.com (Jim Gettys) ]
>  Re: Debian as a CORBA component       [ Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo@gnome-db.org> ]
>  Virus Found in message "new photos f  [ Justin Hahn <jeh@profitlogic.com> ]
>  aspell package splitting => dependen  [ Domenico Andreoli <cavok@filibusta. ]
>  Bug#131301: ITP: netperf -- Network   [ erik@todo.de ]
>  Re: Debian as a CORBA component       [ Adam Heath <doogie@debian.org> ]
>  Re: aspell package splitting => depe  [ Adam Heath <doogie@debian.org> ]
>  Re: The future of gpassman (was Re:   [ Andreas Rottmann <a.rottmann@gmx.at ]
>  Re: Encrypting BTS Messages           [ Rob Bradford <rob@debianplanet.org> ]
>  Bug#131318: general: apt-get and dse  [ Brady McCary <brady@poo-2.dhs.org> ]
>  Re: The future of gpassman (was Re:   [ Scott Henson <shenson2@wvu.edu> ]
>  Re: Spam (Re: Urgent Investment)      [ Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@debian.o ]


>Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:29:49 -0800 (PST)
>From: jg@pa.dec.com (Jim Gettys)
>To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
>Cc: keithp@keithp.com, branden@debian.org, ajt@debian.org
>Subject: interesting times installing 2.4.17 in Woody...
>Message-Id: <[🔎] 200201281629.g0SGTnO410989@pachyderm.pa.dec.com>
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>I'm new to Debian; an old fart in UNIX and X, and using RH and Mandrake
>the last few years...

>I had an interesting (as in the chinese curse) installing Debian; in some 
>ways, I know too much, and tend to go down paths that some newbies might 
>not.  In others, I am alot like other newbies...  So solving some of these 
>problems would reduce the inertial barriers to attracting new recruits. 
>I posit that I am the kind of person you'd like to see using Debian, and 
>that problems I have are the immediate kinds you'd like to fix (rather 
>than catering to the completely unwashed user community, which while
>a laudable goal, involves alot more work indeed).

>And at this date, most people using woody are likely to be developers, 
>and many/most of them will want/need 2.4, so I claim the upgrade path 
>is going to be very common, even if stable is still 2.2 based; and given 
>the date, alot of people will soon been following the upgrade path even 
>after woody ships as the next stable.  This is becoming the default in 
>commercial distros, as 2.4 has (finally) mostly shaken down.

>This was my second Debian install (or third, if you count the fact that
>I screwed up my first so badly I started over), onto my laptop.  I'll leave
>that tale to some other time.

>As I'm setting up to do some actual hacking on X, to teach it about the 
>new input system, I needed to install a recent 2.4.  Also experience has 
>shown me over the years that having a journalling file system is *really* 
>nice (having had one on Tru64 UNIX for many years), particularly when 
>hacking on X servers, where you can do yourself in given the horrifying 
>propensity for PC graphics hardware to hang your system buss...

>So I got the basic install done, and loaded a pile of packages (I'd kept 
>a list of what I'd likely need from my previous install). Modulo the fact 
>that the tasks are broken in tasksel, per previous discussion, things 
>went ok, and, wonders upon wonders, I even ended up with a functional 
>X/Gnome environment, including my USB mouse.  Fixing tasksel in woody 
>to load decent sets of packages would be a big help.

>So far, so good....

>I installed the 2.4.17 package, appropriately edited my lilo.conf
>(note that I think the message about what file to add in the package install
>to get the initrd is slightly broken; at least it was in my desktop install;
>would be even better if it added it itself).

>This went relatively smoothly (this time); the first time I had trouble
>with the name of the initrd file, as the kernel install script suggested
>a slightly broken name, and I didn't check the name of the initrd
>file first hand.

>But a number of problems remained, which could either be fixed by
>some pretty simple package changes, or by documenting a 2.4 upgrade
>in the installation directions:

>o gnome battery aplet is advising me the kernel may not have APM support.
>Is this true?  Do I have to build a kernel to get it?  This would be

>o the gdm in woody is very old; as I muck around in X server land, I
>appreciate some of its new features and regret its antiquity (and edit
>by hand), as recent versions allow me to edit what server gets started
>with what options, and I need to run a TinyX server; that is a different
>tale, and one I'll work on first hand).

>o My wireless card didn't work.  Memory on previous 2.4 installs warned
>me about the transition to the ornioco driver, but of course, details
>are not in my cache.  With alot of wandering around, figuring out the
>changes required to /etc/pcmcia/config for the orinoco was solved,
>along with the change needed to get the system to DHCP on the card.

>o The really obscure problem I could not have solved easily without
>Keith Packard's help was the need for the file /etc/default/pcmcia,
>with the line PCIC=yenta_socket.  That one I would not have suceeded
>very soon at figuring out (as opposed to the orinoco driver, where
>I had some memory to help me look and had found it about the time
>I was bothering Keith last night).

>o to get ext3 to work on my root file system was another interesting 
>diversion (beyond tune2fs -j).  On my desktop, I had rebuilt the kernel 
>and added support built in.

>On the laptop, Keith's suggestion was different: to add ext3 to my initrd.  
>Using mkinitrd did the trick, and now my laptop is running ext3 on the 
>root.  It sure would be nice if the initrd that came with current 2.4's 
>after 2.4.16 came with ext3 in it, or if the base system built ext3 in 

>o someone, somewhere along the line installed gpm on me: this caused
>various trouble in my X hacking along the way.

>In general, gpm should *NOT* be the default (if you install an X desktop, 
>anyway, which can be used as a signal you aren't likely to want cut and 
>paste on the consoles).  It only makes interactive behavior of the system 
>worse by interposing a user process.  With Keith's (relatively) new X 
>scheduler in place, having a user process in the way makes for poorer 
>interactive feel, particularly on a loaded system.  In the short run as 
>2.4 deploys, setting up the server to use /dev/input/mice is probably 
>the right answer; in the longer run, I hope to move the X server over 
>to /dev/input/event completely, and the entire mess will vanish (presuming 
>we can get a line discipline in the kernel to handle PS/2 and serial mice 
>someday for legacy boxes).

>Net result was a day or two of messing around that is preventable, by 
>at most a few hours of writing documents, or a few days of messing with 

>Still can't get sound out of xine, but that will wait for another day...
>(xmms is working fine).

>Hope this experience helps.
>				- Jim

>Jim Gettys
>Cambridge Research Laboratory

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