i see i've been wasting my time trying to debate reasonably with you. until you learn to stick to the point and argue the issue rather than make ad hominem attacks, the only words i have to say to you are "fuck" and "off". have a nice day. craig -- craig sanders <cas@taz.net.au> Fabricati Diem, PVNC. -- motto of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch