On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 01:38:53AM -0800, David D. W. Downey wrote: > * Pierfrancesco Caci (ik5pvx@penny.ik5pvx.ampr.org) wrote: > > > > Nice bait.... I'll bite, but if you want to read it you'll have to > > subscribe... It's not fair to throw the rock and hide the hand > > > > 1) learn how to properly format a mail message (i.e. fold at 75th > > column) > > Quit pickin at the measly stuff and pay attention to the content of > his words. Laying the bear trap here only gets you laughs from the > other hunters. I deserved a little bit of this. I'm no saint. :) To be fair he did separate this out from the meat of his reply. But thanks for the defense. :) > > > > > 2) learn how to package a deb and adopt whichever package you think > > you're better at maintaining than the original maintainer > > > > Pointing out a failure in a system doesn't mean one has the ability > to do what you are asking. It simply means he found a failure. In > this instance, his becoming a maintainer does nothing to solve the > problem he's point at other than for that single package. Pushing > someone off into this section only further proves the point that > debian's starting to potentially fall apart since you completely > prove that you either failed to hear or desired not to hear what > his content. He agrees with me on several things. Just a bit more cautious about it. > > > 3) if the package is dead upstream, fork it and maintain it > > yourself. Most free software licences allow it. > > > > > > Please explain how him maintaining it helps the other packages in > trouble as well. Or are you trying to suggest that the package he > spoke of is the only one of it's kind in trouble or that no other > packages in debian suffer from the fate he describes? If I had the time, then i'd be taking over the packages that I use that are rather flawed. It's a start. > > > Have a nice (redhat|mandrake|windowsXP) day > > > > Not even worth more than this snicker. > > > > OK, I'm getting in on this one, regardless of opinions. Sorry, but I > have to agree with Brian here. > > OK, my little history to show what grounds I make my stand on. > > I've used linux for quite a few years now. I started with SLS Linux > kern ver 1.0.8), was there at slackware's inception, ran Peanut, > <snip snip snip *whew!* snip snip *GRIN*> > Cheerfully singing my name to this, > > -- That is a great suggestion! I believe I can toss in some of the one developer-type person I have doing work for me to trackign down the root of some of custier packages. Mind, his time is on a side-deal agreement, so he isn't an "emplyee" in the normal sense of the word. But I will see if I can get some of his time in trade to add to this. I'll pick out a few of the most-used packages that I have and see what the reality is on them. If they are maintained by a slacker (no pun on slackware intented or wanted) then I'll swat em with a Clue Bat(tm) as sugested here. :) FWIW, I love debian for several reasons despite it's flaws... here they are in no particular order... #1 (ok, so this IS the biggest. ;) ) It's not a for-proffit corp! Community CAN have a potential influence. It's maintainers *usualy* use the packages they maintain daily. #2 it's the only Ture Open Source distro out there that I know of. #3 It started with a noble goal in mind, and started with an attitude of quality. If not, then where the hell did the idea of apt-get and dpkg come from!?! #4 Pick-o-the-week application ability. More than one editor, browser, filemanager, graphics tool, library-xxxx, etc, etc, etc. Now this DOES need to be curtailed in the interest I described in my first post. But for the short haul, until the horse has all it's harness back on it. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Wolfe <brianw@terrabox.com> "Down to earth computing!" TerraBox.com Fingerprint: 2849 5090 D4E0 2A6C C648 A750 52F8 8504 67DB 205C
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