Here's a thought: why don't we see if these guys actually produce anything. Half the time, these announcements are just people trying to drum up support for whatever project, and nothing comes of it in any case. -- David N. Welton Consulting: http://www.dedasys.com/ Free Software: http://people.debian.org/~davidw/ Apache Tcl: http://tcl.apache.org/ Personal: http://www.efn.org/~davidw/