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> Today's Topics:
> Re: Bug#121691: linuxvideostudio fai [ Mark
> Purcell <msp@debian.org> ]
> Re: partial mirroring [ Admar
> Schoonen <admar@luon.net> ]
> Re: ITP: bayonne -- The telephony se [ Mark
> Purcell <msp@debian.org> ]
> Re: SE Linux packages of login, sshd [ Wichert
> Akkerman <wichert@wiggy.net ]
> Re: pmud package [was: Re: Debian pa [ Josip
> Rodin <joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr> ]
> ITP: crank [ Sander
> Smeenk <ssmeenk@freshdot.net ]
> Re: key chain type Alcohol tester [ Ulrich
> Eckhardt <doomster@knuut.de> ]
> Re: Color in init scripts, was [logc [ Bernd
> Eckenfels <lists@lina.inka.de ]
> Re: partial mirroring [ Hans
> Freitag <hafre@president.eu.or ]
> Re: ITP: crank [ Wichert
> Akkerman <wichert@wiggy.net ]
> Re: partial mirroring [ Roland
> Bauerschmidt <rb@debian.org> ]
> Re: ITP: crank [ Sander
> Smeenk <ssmeenk@debian.org> ]
> =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?KLGksO0pIKHaILmrt [
> =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?x9G6wA==?= <hanb ]
> Re: partial mirroring [
> otto.wyss@bluewin.ch (Otto Wyss) ]
> Re: partial mirroring [ Hans
> Freitag <hafre@president.eu.or ]
> Re: SE Linux packages of login, sshd [ Russell
> Coker <russell@coker.com.au ]
> file permissions [ Wouter
> Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> ]
> Fwd: Unseen debian maintainers (fwd) [ "Andrew
> M.A. Cater" <amacater@bluey ]
> Re: Fwd: Unseen debian maintainers ( [ Julian
> Gilbey <J.D.Gilbey@qmul.ac.u ]
>
> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 22:47:44 +1100
> From: Mark Purcell <msp@debian.org>
> To: "Ivan E. Moore II" <rkrusty@tdyc.com>,
> 121691@bugs.debian.org
> CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Bug#121691: linuxvideostudio fails to
> build from source due to missing build-depends
>
> Hi Ivan,
>
> Btw, this issue has already been reported as
> Bug#115626.
>
> I'm not really sure what I can do about this bug,
> but would be happy to
> take advice on the way forward for this package.
>
> As I said then:
>
> 'I have spoken with the upstream package maintainer
> of non-free/mjpegtools
> and because of licensing restrictions we are unable
> to include
> mjpegtools in the official Debian distribution.
>
> linuxvideotools is included in the contrib section
> of Debian as it
> is a GPL program which depends on non-free software,
> which you must
> download and install independently from the rest of
> debian.
>
> The Debian package of non-free/mjpegtools must be
> downloaded from
> http://download.sourceforge.net/mjpeg/ to either
> build or
> run this program.'
>
> Mark
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 02:10:12AM -0700, Ivan E.
> Moore II wrote:
> > Package: linuxvideostudio
> > Severity: serious
> >
> > Checking for source dependency conflicts...
> > /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/apt-get $CHROOT_OPTIONS
> -q -y install debhelper automake autoconf xlibs-dev
> libgtk1.2-dev libgdk-pixbuf-dev mjpegtools
> > Reading Package Lists...
> > Building Dependency Tree...
> > E: Couldn't find package mjpegtools
>
> ATTACHMENT part 2.2 application/pgp-signature
> ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822
> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:24:54 +0100
> From: Admar Schoonen <admar@luon.net>
> To: Roland Bauerschmidt <rb@debian.org>
> CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: partial mirroring
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:00:29PM +0100, Roland
> Bauerschmidt wrote:
> > I wrote a small Python script to create a partial
> Debian mirror. In
> > contrast to other mirror scripts that I know of,
> it is capable of
> > mirroring a given list of packages from multiple
> dists. To be able to
> > do this, the script parses the Packages files and
> keeps track which
> > information goes with which dist (apt-ftparchive
> or dpkg-scanpackages
> > wouldn't work for multiple dists). After fetching
> the required packages
> > (if they don't exist already), the Packages files
> for all dists are
> > generated from the information gathered
> previously. I use this in
> > combination with a Perl script I wrote some time
> ago which accepts a
> > list of packages and resolves all dependencies
> with AptPkg::Cache. The
> > code could probably be cleaned up and documented,
> but otherwise it seems
> > to work.
> >
> > It'd be happy about feedback,
> >
> > Roland
>
> I haven't tried it, but it looks like demish, a
> program I've written
> (http://luon.net/~admar). Rob Bradford wants to
> package it (bug
> #114739), but he didn't have time to upload it yet.
> I've already seen
> one difference though: your program seems to
> download the pkgs with
> rsync, while demish - indirectly - uses apt.
>
> At the moment, I am pretty busy, but if I find some
> time in a few weeks,
> I'll try your program.
>
> Cheers,
> Admar Schoonen
>
> PS: apt-move is also a program which - more or less
> - does what our
> programs do; I couldn't get it to do what I needed
> though, but it does
> have a pretty good tool to download pkgs
> (/usr/lib/apt-move/fetch).
>
> ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:34:25 +1100
> From: Mark Purcell <msp@debian.org>
> To: 104422@bugs.debian.org, Maurizio Boriani
> <baux@debian.org>
> CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: ITP: bayonne -- The telephony server of
> the GNU project
>
> Maurizio,
>
> You raised an ITP for bayonne 142 days ago and I was
> wondering
> how you are progressing with this package?
>
> I am keen to get this package up and running in
> Debian and
> have hacked together a Debian package which is
> available at
> http://people.debian.org/~msp/
>
> If you are no longer interested in this package I
> would be happy to
> take over this ITP, especially with the upcoming
> freeze looming.
>
> Mark
>
> ATTACHMENT part 4.2 application/pgp-signature
> ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:31:50 +0100
> From: Wichert Akkerman <wichert@wiggy.net>
> To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: SE Linux packages of login, sshd, tar,
> stat, findutils, fileutils, and [xkg]dm
>
> Previously Russell Coker wrote:
> > SE Linux requires modified versions of login,
> sshd, tar, stat, findutils,
> > fileutils [xkg]dm, and some other programs.
>
> What has been changed in login and ssh that can't be
> done through a
> PAM module?
>
> Wichert.
>
> --
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
> /wichert@wiggy.net This space intentionally
> left occupied \
> | wichert@deephackmode.org
> http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ |
> | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8
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>
> ATTACHMENT part 6 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:37:23 +0100
> From: Josip Rodin <joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr>
> To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: pmud package [was: Re: Debian package
> contents search results]
>
> On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 09:36:56PM -0600, Anthony
> Towns wrote:
> > > The "pmud" package is mentioned in the Sources
> file for testing and
> > > unstable, but not in the equivalent Packages
> files, for some reason.
> >
> > pmud is a powerpc only package.
> >
> > pmud | 0.7-6 | testing | source,
> powerpc
> > pmud | 0.7-6 | unstable | source,
> powerpc
>
> I see. Another bug for us. Thanks.
>
> --
> 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
>
> ATTACHMENT part 7 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:22:03 +0100
> From: Sander Smeenk <ssmeenk@freshdot.net>
> To: submit@bugs.debian.org
> CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: ITP: crank
>
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: normal
>
> I intent to package 'crank', a CRypto ANalysis
> toolKit.
> It is licensed under the GPL
>
> Regards,
> Sander.
>
> --
> | [BX] If idiots could fly, IRC would be an airport
> | 1024D/08CEC94D - 34B3 3314 B146 E13C 70C8 9BDB
> D463 7E41 08CE C94D
>
> ATTACHMENT part 8 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:53:37 +0100
> From: Ulrich Eckhardt <doomster@knuut.de>
> To: <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>
> Subject: Re: key chain type Alcohol tester
>
> On Sunday 02 December 2001 02:39, SCL wrote:
> > Which is suitable for the gift and promoting items
> with your wine
> > products.
>
> so that's the potential danger of using wine, now I
> think I understand ...
>
> *g*
>
> ATTACHMENT part 9 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:01:01 +0100
> From: Bernd Eckenfels <lists@lina.inka.de>
> To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Color in init scripts, was [logcheck] I
> hear you...
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:36:54PM +0100, Eduard
> Bloch wrote:
> > Well, if we extend the init scripts in a wise way,
> we could make use of
> > fancy graphics without breaking much stuff.
>
> Actually, having a framework for init script output
> and return codes will
> allow us to use b/w, no text, color text and
> graphics like Aurora.
>
> http://aurora.mini.dhs.org/Screenshot.png
>
> Greetings
> Bernd
>
> ATTACHMENT part 10 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:58:25 GMT
> From: Hans Freitag <hafre@president.eu.org>
> To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: partial mirroring
>
> Hi,
>
> Roland Bauerschmidt <rb@debian.org> wrote:
>
> > I wrote a small Python script to create a partial
> Debian mirror. In
> > contrast to other mirror scripts that I know of,
> it is capable of
> > mirroring a given list of packages from multiple
> dists. To be able to
>
> I wrote a mirror package, too. But it mirrors the
> whole distribution
> parts, not "single" packages.
>
> Maybe apt-proxy do similar things your script does.
>
>
> > do this, the script parses the Packages files and
> keeps track which
> > information goes with which dist (apt-ftparchive
> or dpkg-scanpackages
> > wouldn't work for multiple dists). After fetching
> the required packages
> > (if they don't exist already), the Packages files
> for all dists are
> > generated from the information gathered
> previously.
>
> Whats about cleaning up unused packages, and a
> seperate config file?
>
>
> > I use this in
> > combination with a Perl script I wrote some time
> ago which accepts a
> > list of packages and resolves all dependencies
> with AptPkg::Cache. The
>
> Maybe one programming language is better for the
> future.
>
>
> > code could probably be cleaned up and documented,
> but otherwise it seems
> > to work.
>
> I'm interested! Documentation is very important, i
> think.
>
>
> bye
> --
> May the source be with you!
>
> ATTACHMENT part 11 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:03:44 +0100
> From: Wichert Akkerman <wichert@wiggy.net>
> To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org,
> ssmeenk@freshdot.net
> CC: submit@bugs.debian.org
> Subject: Re: ITP: crank
>
> Previously Sander Smeenk wrote:
> > I intent to package 'crank', a CRypto ANalysis
> toolKit.
> > It is licensed under the GPL
>
> URL? description?
>
> Wichert.
>
> --
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
> /wichert@wiggy.net This space intentionally
> left occupied \
> | wichert@deephackmode.org
> http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ |
> | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8
> 9250 2FA3 BC2D |
>
> ATTACHMENT part 12 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:16:04 +0100
> From: Roland Bauerschmidt <rb@debian.org>
> To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: partial mirroring
>
> Hans Freitag wrote:
> > I wrote a mirror package, too. But it mirrors the
> whole distribution
> > parts, not "single" packages.
>
> Mirroring the whole distribution is trivial. You
> don't have to care
> about extracting the needed bits from the original
> packages files and
> stuff.
>
> > Maybe apt-proxy do similar things your script
> does.
>
> From what I saw about apt-move, it can't handle
> multiple distributions.
> I'd be happy to be thought overwise, through.
>
> > Whats about cleaning up unused packages, and a
> seperate config file?
>
> Sure, but first of all, I just wanted it work for
> me.
>
> > Maybe one programming language is better for the
> future.
>
> Yes, those scripts don't really belong together. I
> wrote the perl script
> for some other purpose sometime ago. I just added it
> because it can be
> useful to process the package list with it before.
>
> Roland
>
> --
> Roland Bauerschmidt
>
> ATTACHMENT part 13 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:15:40 +0100
> From: Sander Smeenk <ssmeenk@debian.org>
> To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: ITP: crank
>
> Quoting Wichert Akkerman (wichert@wiggy.net):
>
> > > I intent to package 'crank', a CRypto ANalysis
> toolKit.
> > > It is licensed under the GPL
> > URL? description?
>
> Oops.
>
> http://crank.sourceforge.net/
>
> Crank is short for "CRyptANalysis toolKit", and its
> overall purpose is
> to provide a powerful and extensible environment for
> solving classical
> (pen-and-paper) ciphers, providing as much
> automation as possible.
> Classical ciphers include common schemes like
> monoalphabetic
> substitutions, where each letter of the alphabet is
> mapped to another
> (usually different) letter consistently through the
> text. The first
> version of Crank is restricting itself to these
> special ciphers. Other
> algorithms forever devoid of Crank's attentions
> include Enigma, RSA,
> DES, MurkelFish, or anything else invented after
> 1900.
>
> --
> | It is better to regret something you HAVE done,
> | than to regret something you HAVEN'T done...
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> D463 7E41 08CE C94D
>
> ATTACHMENT part 13.2 application/pgp-signature
> ATTACHMENT part 14 message/rfc822
> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 01:31:15 +0900
> From: ÇѺÀ <hanbong@hanmail.net>
> To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
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> ATTACHMENT part 15 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:51:25 +0100
> From: otto.wyss@bluewin.ch (Otto Wyss)
> To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: partial mirroring
>
> > I haven't tried it, but it looks like demish, a
> program I've written
> > (http://luon.net/~admar). Rob Bradford wants to
> package it (bug
> > #114739), but he didn't have time to upload it
> yet. I've already seen
> > one difference though: your program seems to
> download the pkgs with
> > rsync, while demish - indirectly - uses apt.
> >
> > At the moment, I am pretty busy, but if I find
> some time in a few weeks,
> > I'll try your program.
> >
> Just if you want to try again another implementation
> of partial
> mirroring, look at
> "http://www.problemlos.ch/~otti/";.
>
> O. Wyss
>
> ATTACHMENT part 16 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:47:14 GMT
> From: Hans Freitag <hafre@president.eu.org>
> To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: partial mirroring
>
> Hi,
>
> Otto Wyss <otto.wyss@bluewin.ch> wrote:
>
> > Just if you want to try again another
> implementation of partial
> > mirroring, look at
> "http://www.problemlos.ch/~otti/";.
>
> If everybody post his solution, here is my. ;-)
>
> deb http://ftp.president.eu.org/debian unstable
> macrotron non-free
>
> The package is named debmirror, it consists in some
> perl scripts, a
> sample config file and some manpages.
>
> The script loads the Packages.gz and Sources.gz and
> all files listened
> in this files via rsync. If a file already exists
> download is ommited.
> After all the script removes obsolete files.
>
> The alternative usage of wget and $HOME/.mirror.cf
> is planned for the
> future.
>
> bye
> --
> May the source be with you!
>
> ATTACHMENT part 17 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:16:53 +0100
> From: Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au>
> To: Wichert Akkerman <wichert@wiggy.net>,
> debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: SE Linux packages of login, sshd, tar,
> stat, findutils, fileutils, and [xkg]dm
>
> On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:31, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> > Previously Russell Coker wrote:
> > > SE Linux requires modified versions of login,
> sshd, tar, stat, findutils,
> > > fileutils [xkg]dm, and some other programs.
> >
> > What has been changed in login and ssh that can't
> be done through a
> > PAM module?
>
> I'll reply to this message again when I have enough
> information for a
> complete response. It may take a week or two.
>
> To avoid producing wrong information I won't address
> it now.
>
> --
> http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard
> drive benchmark
> http://www.coker.com.au/postal/ Postal
> SMTP/POP benchmark
> http://www.coker.com.au/projects.html Projects I am
> working on
> http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
>
> ATTACHMENT part 18 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:33:34 +0100 (CET)
> From: Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org>
> To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: file permissions
>
> Hi
>
> Besides the umask or users changing them manually,
> what else could be the
> reason that file permissions are changed as
> described in #120225?
>
> I'm really out of clue here. Maybe one thing,
> though: .html files in lg-*
> packages are processed for dead links (resulting
> from links to packages
> that are not installed), so this might be the
> reason. I just don't
> understand how this could change those files'
> permissions, especially not
> since his umask is still good.
>
> The scripts that process .html files are called
> "fixlinks" and
> "fixlinks.real", the former being a bash-wrapper to
> fork the other, a
> perl-script, to background.
>
> Does anyone have an idea how to solve this, or is
> this really what I think
> it is: a user setup error?
>
> --
> wouter dot verhelst at advalvas dot be
>
> "Human knowledge belongs to the world"
> -- From the movie "Antitrust"
>
> ATTACHMENT part 19 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 22:34:44 +0000
> From: "Andrew M.A. Cater"
> <amacater@blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Fwd: Unseen debian maintainers (fwd)
>
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>
>
> - ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
>
> Subject: Unseen debian maintainers (fwd)
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:23:11 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Martin WHEELER <mwheeler@startext.co.uk>
> To: <amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk>
>
> - ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:17:39 +0000
> From: Hereward Cooper <zadok@phreaker.net>
> To: msw@startext.co.uk
> Subject: Unseen debian maintainers
>
> hi there,
>
> http://master.debian.org/~lohner/dumb.html
>
> Look who is 6th from the top!
>
> Hereward
>
> -
>
-------------------------------------------------------
> It's not nice to have my friends talking about me
> like this :( The
> problem is that I can't submit a GPG key to validate
> my login so
> that I can login onto Debian machines again.
>
> [IIRC, there was a problem a long time ago which
> meant that passwords
> had to be reset. That's when I lost my login]
>
> Help needed from any developers who can help sort
> this one out. I _am_
> a Debian developer and have a valid GPG key in the
> keyring. I posted
> something about problems earlier. I'm getting
> replies like the one
> below.
>
> >Your request to the mail gateway is malformed, or
> an internal
> > processing error occured. The information below
> may help you, or the
> > gateway administrator to identify the problem.
> >
> > Error: Unable to check the signature or the
> signature was invalid:
> > ==> Message Error: Unable to verify signature,
> signing key missing.
> >
>
> Now about to be using OpenSSH version 3.0. System is
> running unstable.
>
> Andy
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> ATTACHMENT part 20 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:40:23 +0000
> From: Julian Gilbey <J.D.Gilbey@qmul.ac.uk>
> To: amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk
> CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Unseen debian maintainers (fwd)
>
> On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 10:34:44PM +0000, Andrew
> M.A. Cater wrote:
> > Help needed from any developers who can help sort
> this one out. I _am_
> > a Debian developer and have a valid GPG key in the
> keyring. I posted
> > something about problems earlier. I'm getting
> replies like the one
> > below.
>
> AFAICT, you signed this message:
>
> gpg: Signature made Sun Dec 2 22:34:55 2001 GMT
> using DSA key ID E93ADE7B
>
> But in the keyring, the only key of yours I see is:
>
> polya:~ $ gpg --list-keys cater
> pub 2048R/3BB8C931 1998-08-31 Andrew Martin Adrian
> Cater <amacater@debian.org>
> uid Andrew Martin Adrian
> Cater <amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk>
>
> So it seems that you only have your old RSA key in
> the keyring, unless
> something's changed since 22 Sep. 2001.
>
> Julian
>
> --
>
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> Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths,
> Debian GNU/Linux Developer
> Queen Mary, Univ. of London see
> http://people.debian.org/~jdg/
> http://www.maths.qmul.ac.uk/~jdg/ or
> http://www.debian.org/
> Visit http://www.thehungersite.com/ to help
> feed the hungry
> Also: http://www.helpthehungry.org/
>
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