Re: gtk, fonts, locales
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 04:22:55PM +0100, Jules Bean wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 11:10:00AM -0400, Sean Middleditch wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 09:14:52AM +0100, Jules Bean wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 07:42:48PM -0400, Sean Middleditch wrote:
>
> > OK I'm not understanding then what iso10646 does? Why it is needed
> > over iso8859-1? It supports a larger character set?
>
> Yes. It's the unicode encoding: it subsumes all the other common
> encodings. It means that in one sentence I can list the names of
> Czech, Russian and Norwegian correspondents (for example) without
> switching encoding.
Ah, I see. And then the issue with fonts displayed weird would be what,
then? The same font, but under the iso10646 encoding, is block an
"ugly" compared the the font in iso8859-1.
>
> http://www.unicode.org for far more that you could ever want to know.
>
> > > However, old applications expecting 8-bit encodings will break when
> > > they're unexpectedly given a 16-bit encoding. For this reason, the X
> > > server and the X font server have been hacked to return iso8859 before
> > > iso10646 when no font-set is requested specifically.
> >
> > Yes, well, there are bugs in GTKHtml I am told that does the exact
> > opposite.
>
> This is possible; I don't know. I don't happen to regularly use any
> gtkhtml-based programs. On the other hand, I believe the
> gnome-help-browser is gtkhtml based, and that seems to work.
Galeon, Evolution, and a couple others are very obvious with their
problem; the fonts are nearly unreadable at times. I'm noticing a
similar problem on RedHat Linux (7.2) however, so I'm realizing this
isn't a Debian-specific problem (despite what I've heard repeatedly
about Debian having a horrible font problem).
>
> > > As to the font size problem: perhaps you have the 100dpi fonts
> > > installed and you'd prefer the 75dpi fonts? They're "bigger".
> >
> > Hmm, I was under the understanding that I could only use one or the
> > other, and that my setup would require the 100dpi?
>
>
> Why would your setup require 100dpi? It's a matter of choice
> basically. The 75dpi fonts are bigger, so if you prefer them, use
> them.
Got it. I must have misunderstood.
>
> > Thanks for clarifications. ^,^ I think I should stop working on that
> > kind of stuff that ltae at night.
>
> You're welcome. You may genuinely have uncovered a different bug
> here; but for most people, the 'dotted squares' go away when the X
> server is properly upgraded...
Well, I'm definitely running 4.1.0. GTK is broken in a few ways, which
may be why things are ugly there.
Why KDE is horribly unreadable, I don't know. I have no clue how to
figure out which font is being selected there. If I could figure that
out, maybe I could see if there is a correlation with GTK and see why
the wrong encoding is being selected; perhaps also figure out why one
encoding seems to be of lower quality.
>
> Jules
>
Sean Etc.
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