If you once again, send your reply first private to me and then to the list, without sending me any note or making a statement about this in your list post, I want respond anymore. On 01-08-01 paul cannon wrote: > On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 08:40:42PM +0200, Christian Kurz wrote: > > On 01-08-01 Eray Ozkural wrote: > > > it is almost impossible for me to conduct my contributions to > > > debian. I already maintain several packages and plan to do more > > > work in the future (which you can see on wnpp) and I demand > > > recognition of my contributions as > > > > Hm, you demand something from volunteers for contributions that you > > also did voluntarily? Sorry, but please get real. You can't demand > > anything from a volunteer and everyone in debian is a volunteer. > > No, one can't demand anything from a typical volunteer, but Eray's > expectations seem valid. As has been noted[*], there have been Oh, what's the difference between a typical volunteer and a not typical volunteer? So, where's the small border that can be crossed here and normally not? Voluntary work is always voluntary and there's no exception in my opinion. > developers ought to be able to expect a certain level of fairness and > openness. In fact, all of you developers agreed at some point to the But also are expected to contact the appropriate people before complaining loudly on -devel. Eray didn't mention the NM frontdesk anywhere and you are also quietly ignoring this. If your or any other AM is not responding to your mails and you're still a NM, then you should contact first the Frontdesk, because they maybe have more information what happened to the AM or maybe able to help out. Instead mailing directly to the DAM and complaining about being ignored on -devel is not going to help you much. > Debian Social Contract, stating at points "We Won't Hide Problems" and > "We Will Give Back to the Free Software Community". These are things > we _should_ be able to demand from Debian volunteers. Oh, so the work that allready all volunteers that work on Debian gave back to the community is ignored by you to make it oustanding, that the problem with the debian account for Eray is a contribution to the Free Software Community? Sorry for the sarcasm, but your are exaggerating. And we don't hide any problems, if you would have read the -devel and -nm list archives, you would also know this better. > All Eray wants to do is make Debian better than it is. The powers that > be have kept up quite an effectual wall to his goal, seemingly for no > reason. Why wouldn't he be upset? Damn, because it seems like he never bothered to talk with NM frontdesk about his problems. And since I know some people of the frontdesk personally or had other contact with them, I know that they are quite helpful with all occuring problems. So, he's ignoring appropriate contacts and instead complaining loudly, which I find quite offensive and inappropriate. Christian -- Debian Developer (http://www.debian.org) 1024/26CC7853 31E6 A8CA 68FC 284F 7D16 63EC A9E6 67FF 26CC 7853
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