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Re: Re: Re: LSB bastards

On Sun, 1 Jul 2001 15:32:50 -0800, Ethan Benson <erbenson@alaska.net> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 11:44:19PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote:
> >
> > Does it matter? once a Debian system is able to install any lsb-compliant RPM package,
> >  lesser developers will be disposed to create a dpkg package, which is only for Debian,
> > and dedicate efforts in RPM packaging. That, in a long term, brings Debian to become
> > another RPM-based distro.
> no it doesn't.  as it stands now hardly any upstream developers
> provide .debs and many that do just ran alien on their .rpm and called
> it good enough.  others make more of an effort but generally (IME)
> create shoddy packages because they just don't know what they are
> doing.  not a slight to the upstream developer, i am a firm believer
> that upstream should not be involved in making packages at all, be
> they .rpm or .deb.  packaging is the distro's job, not upstreams'.

I agree with you in the fact that the upstream people should keep themselves from
packaging and dedicate to upstream issues.

But upstream people are creating packages wether we like it or not, and
they're mostly RPM packages.

And because of the existance of apt-get (which i support of course),
putting dpkg packages in the upstream's websites doesn't make much sense.
So even when a .deb exists, you won't see it in the website. This doesn't
mean anything to us, but it does to possible newcomers to Debian. They
may believe that Debian is a minor distro.

> whenever you find software not packaged for debian, package it, or
> request another debian developer package it. 

I try to but, you know, it takes time and it seems we cannot package them
all, not faster than the upstream people are doing.

> if its Free it will
> probably be packaged (Resistence is Futile, you will be packaged...).
> if its non-free who cares! ;-)

i'm not so optimist... well let's hope for it.
> we don't need no stinken lsb to make packages for us, we can make them
> ourselves and do a better job anyway.

yes, but according to those LSB statements, now our packages are less "standard".

I wonder why we just can't drop the LSB and limit adhering to POSIX.
Debian won't be only a matter of GNU/Linux in a near future:
GNU (Hurd), GNU/BSD, GNU/Win32 so perhaps adhering to the "Linux Standard Base"
will stop making sense...


Robert Millan                Debian GNU user
zeratul2 wanadoo es    http://getyouriso.org/

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