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Re: Should we divide Debian to usable and unusable

	Hi Sami,
Quoting Sami Haahtinen (ressu@uusikaupunki.fi):
> I've seen many unusable programs be announced as ITP, what use is it
> for the normal user to have something that you cannot use.
	A normal user can only download the programms that he likes (less than
1.0 or not)
> Yes, i use Mozilla, which is considered mostly unusable, and many other
> developement softwares.
	If none test Mozilla, Mozilla will not go to 1.0.
	Gimp (today at 1.1.23) was tested for three years before 1.0.
> although.. 
> we have 1371 pre 1.0 packages, against 5309 packages total..
> (approx 25%)
	This the beauty of Free Software and Debian in particuular we cn
download and install alpha and beta software for test, improve or know what is
happening in terms of programms. 
> ofcourse, these are according my apt sources, and these may vary. but
> still as 1.0 is generally referred as the first public release. these
> figures should (on the public release) be much lower.
> i also know that some 50% of this software is generally seen as stable
> and usable, but for a newcomer it's not that clear.
> while watching the announcements on Freshmeat we see a LOT of 0.0.0Alpha
> releases which shouldn't be announced at all. same here, IMHO anyone
> can make a package of main(){} but it should be kept as a private apt
> source and it should be used from there.. and not uploaded to the main
> archives and just comment it as, 
	Freshmeat is not the best example of Free Software Repository.
> 'it's a program that doesn this and that, it's not fully working yet,
> actually you can't use it for anything yet, but i still packaged it and
> sent it.'
> this is a bit extreme example, but sometimes it just looks this way.
> (the commands used to extract these numbers were:
>  grep-dctrl -r -s Package . /opt/apt/state/lists/* \
>    | sort | uniq | wc -l
>  grep-dctrl -r -s Package -F Version ^0.\[\[:digit:\]\] \
>    /opt/apt/state/lists/* | sort | uniq | wc -l
>  )
> Regards, Sami Haahtinen
	I like this way. Imagine Evolution 0.1 (Outlook like gnome program). I
want to test it and sugest improvemmenents. If it's packaged it much better to
do this. It's only apt-get install evolution.
	Best regards,		Paulo Henrique (Debian fan)
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