..also, I should have mentioned..for the next week or so, barring a decision by dhcpcd to change my IP, these are available from: http://bootp-177.chapin.brown.edu/~daniel/xpenguins The xpenguins author also knows about these, and will probably add at least the binary to his Web page. Hopefully. :) Daniel -- Believe in the Great God Om or be stricken with thunderbolts? Is that the way it always has to be? -- Terry Pratchett, _Small Gods_