Re: new-maintainer related mailing lists hosting + Debian lists search engine problems
As I have stated on more than one occasion: I tried to contact the
listmaster to negotiate a reasonable list structure, but no one returned
my posts.
This is the first time someone has told me I needed to submit a bug
against the mailing lists as an appropriate way to begin communication
with the listmaster over just what services can be provided.
We had this discussion on the nm-admin list at least once, and someone
volunteered to deal with it. So far ... no lists.
For that matter, we seem to be a bit at odds with just what kind of lists
we should have. Someone has been suggesting that we need a private list
that only the AMs can subscribe to, in order to discuss delicate matters
about our applicants. I'm afraid I don't see the application process
working very well if we are going to need to discuss the intimate details
of our applicant's lives in private in order to get our jobs done.
I'm strongly in favor of a completely open process. This seems very easy
to me as I don't need to know anything "private" about any applicant in
order to decide if his application is complete. That is, unless you
consider your name, e-mail address, and thoughts on free software to be
private matters between only yourself and your confessor. If this is the
case, you should probably not try any forms of group interaction ;-) and
certainly not Debian.
I like the way that our "private" list is CC'd to the public discussion
list. This keeps everyone who is interested, informed about just what is
going on. It allows them an accessible forum to discuss the developing
process that is accessible to the AMs without intruding on the
administrative list. This, to me, is the best compromise between being
open while trying to carry on a "closed" conversation.
Going behind opaque barriers would defeat one of the principle problems
this new process was meant to correct, so I am naturally opposed...
So, how much of this rant should I submit with my bug report?
Waiting is,
On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2000 at 02:48:07PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
> > > > [NM mailing lists]
>
> ...being hosted at a non-official-Debian machine...
>
> > > BTW what is being done to move those mailing lists to our lists server?
> > > It seems inappropriate to have such important lists hosted elsewhere
> > > (even derogatory to our mailing lists infrastructure).
> >
> > Josip, this really appears like you're looking for problems.
>
> Uh, I was just saying they should be hosted at Debian. My question was meant
> to incite Dale (or whoever responsible) to move them the Debian listserver.
> Not to flame! Sorry if my tone was flamebait-ish. :(
>
> > Who cares where the lists are hosted?
>
> Well, uh, I do :)
>
> > Dale (or whoever set them up) probably needed to get the job done quickly,
> > and wanted to retain control while things are being worked out.
>
> That was my guess, too... thousand thanks to the owners of the current
> listserver hosting them, but we could begin transition to our official
> listserver slowly. It seems to be The Right Thing (TM) to do.
>
> The bug against lists.debian.org about the lists hasn't been filed yet.
> The instructions on how to do it are at:
> http://www.debian.org/devel/HOWTO_start_list
>
> Should I do it or will someone more acquinted with nm-{admin,discuss} do it,
> please?
>
> > Or maybe the just wanted an archive searcher that worked (<steve ducks>).
>
> Yeah, I saw several people saying there are problems with it... this needs
> to be fixed as well, of course, to the benefit of these lists and all others
> on it.
>
> Who can do something about that, the listmaster or the webmaster? [CC:ed to
> both]
>
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