You may not know that, at least a few months ago, S. Kulow had ./debian dirs in the "upstream" source. So in this sense, there are officially defined debian kde packages. The stuff is not split into small packages. Most of what you refered to would be in kdebase and kdegraphics. John -- John Lapeyre <lapeyre@physics.arizona.edu>, lapeyre@debian.org Tucson,AZ http://www.physics.arizona.edu/~lapeyre