In case any Debian people happen to see a particular Upside Today article, http://www.upside.com/texis/mvm/story?id=3803bbfa0 before it gets fixed (if it does!) please note that I never claimed to be a Debian developer. I have asked the reporter to fix this. (I also didn't say that Mandrake the coder had "lifted" much of Red Hat's business. :-) Nathan Myers ncm@linuxlaptops.com