Re: An 'ae' testimony
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On Sun, 23 May 1999 20:36:10 +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
>you can't yank lines.
Joe can do that.
>you can't cut and paste.
Joe can do that.
>you can't exec a program and have the output inserted in the bufer.
Joe can do that.
>you don't have multiple undo and redo.
Joe can do that.
>you can't pipe a block of text through a program.
Joe can do that.
>you can't join lines reliably.
Joe can do that.
>to change anything you first have to delete the old text and then type the
>new text.
Joe can replace instead of insert.
>you can't do regexp search and replace.
Joe can.
>there is no way to visually distinguish between tabs and spaces.
You know, I don't even need that in vim. Something about the cursor
jumping back and forth kinda clues me in.
>these are just some of the basic things that are missing or wrong in
>ae...there are many more, without even beginning to count the more useful
>advanced functions.
Your point? For a basic install/rescue editor *NONE* of that is *NEEDED*.
>ae is an adequate minimal no-frills, no-features text editor. it's
>better than cat. it's even better than pico (which isn't hard). it's no
>substitute for vi.
Then will you shut up about vi? You just admited what we've been trying
to tell you all the long!
>yes, vi IS non-primitive. do not mock what you fail to understand.
vi is primitve. I say that even as I type this message in vim.
>i thought i explained it well enough. vi is the sort of tool that when
>you get good at it becomes like an extension of your thoughts - you
>don't have to consciously think about HOW to do something, you just
>think about WHAT you want to do and it happens.
What do you know. Joe does everything you say VI does, I consider joe an
extension of myself, I don't think, I do. Therefore, Joe should go onto the
boot disk! Thanks, Craig, the next time I ever use it I'll be most
appreciative of your logic!
>it means that trying to use some other less capable editor is like
>trying to edit with one hand tied behind your back and three fingers of
>your remaining hand chopped off. you can do so much more with vi that
>anything less is a major handicap.
And how does this fit into the context of an install/rescue disk. *IT*
*DOESN'T*.
>i fail to see any further point in this thread. it's gone on way too
>long already. the fact is that vi is a basic unix tool which should
>be available....not providing it on the rescue disk when we can do so
>would be absurdly laughable if it weren't so outrageously blinkered and
>pedestrian.
Yup, so laughable, FreeBSD, which adheres to the historical aspect of unix
more than Debian ever will, doesn't put vi on its install/rescue disk. They
go with ee. HMMMM, food for thought.
>i expected better of you than pointless cheap shots like this. guess i
>was mistaken.
Well, craig, it seems to be the only thing that you respond to. It
appears most of your arguements fall into that catagory. What is best for
Craig Sanders, God of the Internet, Master of Debian and to hell with the
peons.
Jeez, Craig, I consider joe in the same vein you consider vi and I'm
willing to use ee or ae if it gets the job done because they are better for
the distribution. Noone except for idiot blowhards like you give a damn
about vi anymore.
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