In case anyone is trying to get to me, my DSL is down for 48 hours now, and mail will probably be bouncing. This return address will not work, use my office phone at 510-526-1165 if you want to talk. Yes, I've been following Eric Raymond's rebuttal via my RF modem, which is working at about 100 bytes per second right now, a bit too slow for me to participate in the debate. Thanks Bruce