* Scott McDermott (Sat, Jul 25, 1998 at 06:10:18AM -0400) > Petra, Kevin J Poorman on Fri, Jul 24, 1998 at 11:05:52PM -0500: > > > I have never heard of a Debian user "defecting" to RH. The reverse, is > > > commonplace. > > > > wow aren't we living a sheltered life. Debian _users_ defect to rh all the > > time, > > Ok, then perhaps I am sheltered. My opinion is that if they want to > defect, let them, they are kruft. Up until now, I can't blame them. However, at work, and other places, I now see lots of Redhat users now running Debian 2.0 instead. From speaking to most of them I hear that we have a better administrative and packaging tool than Redhat. Most users[0] aren't loyal to philosophies and guidelines; they just want the newest and best software. The use the distribution that gives them what they want. > Visibility, primarily. Less complexity. Caters more to newbies. I > say, *good* -- *why overlap*, let them graduate to Debian. Why is this > perceived as a race, I don't understand. I guess that RedHat is more "new-user-friendly" than Debian, but that isn't something I would like Debian to be if it means that we sacrifice true user-friendlyness to achieve this. > > > because we (debian) is not new user/user freindly ... we should fix > > this problem ... > > I would like you to tell me why this is a problem, why it needs to be [...] > way to encourage proficient hacking. So really I don't see anything > contradictory with not caring about newbies. Agreed. For new linux users, let them use a distribution that is easier to start with. When they are "learned" enough to look at distributions and make a choice, however, I'd like that choice to be Debian. That is what we should aim for. Being the best Linux distribution for people who know how to handle a unix system. > > why can't we make linux, just a little easier to use, for the new users. > > I guess you could...what did you have in mind? Apt is underway, looks > great, there's lots of GUI tools to choose from for any CLI task, XDM > and you never have to even look at a shell prompt, right? My, would > that suck! But still, having the opportunity to use something like linuxconf in addition to vi[1] as an administrative tool shouldn't be frowned upon. [0] - Ok, Ok, I'm generalizing. :-) [1] - Or whatever your favourite editor is. -- SSM - Stig Sandbeck Mathisen Trust the Computer, the Computer is your Friend
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