Re: RH and GNOME
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On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, David Welton wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 24, 1998 at 08:51:17PM -0500, Petra, Kevin J Poorman wrote:
> > On 23 Jul 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>
> > I'm sorry you feel that way. I realy do, because I am pointing out a
> > problem, but you see the problem isn't in software, it's in the attitude
> > and mindset of developers like you.
>
> ...of developers like him that we *HAVE* Debian.
I understand that, and for that I thank him and others like him.
>
> > > Petra,> what we need to realise is that ppl now want everything given
> > > Petra,> to them on a gold plater, yesterday. ppl and that includes
> > > Petra,> managers and IS workers, don't want to take the time to read
> > > Petra,> docs, or configure things.
> > >
> > > I think I do not want to be busting my chops for such, pardon
> > > me, idiots. Any one who refuses to learn how to use their tools
> > > effectively is being short sighted. I have no problem in accepting
> > > that Windows 98 is the perfect OS for such people.
> >
> > ah, yes, such a selfish attitude. I'm not saying we make EVERYTHING like
> > 98, but a few things... like, installation, and manpages.
>
> Go right ahead. Manoj, I'm sure, would be more than happy to comment
> on the technical merits of whatever you and others create. As far as
> selfish... you want *him* to do something *you* want?
I don't think you are understanding what I am talking about. in order for
what I am talking about to ocur, WE ALL need to change our mindsets.
>
> > > Petra,> We should not, comprimise our software standards, for
> > > Petra,> "freeness". We should work to write a "Debian Standard
> > > Petra,> licence" that is basicly gpl, without the bugs.
> > >
> > > What bugs? I find the GPL to work exactly as it should. We
> > > need a strong license that ptomotes and actively propogates free
> > > software, and the GPL does that.
> >
> > while I haven't memorised the entire gpl, what I have read leves me to
> > think that there are a few "bugs" in it.
>
> For example?
look in a seperate e-mail coming to a mail reader neer you.
>
> > > Petra,> We should try to mainstream Debian in any way we can, with
> > > Petra,> ad's, banners, logo's... etc. as this will help us grow in
> > > Petra,> the long run.
> > >
> > > Umm, ok. Pray do so, if this is a major goal of yours.
> >
> > I'm working on it, in my "spare" time
>
> You're not the only one with time constraints:-)
I understand that.
>
> > Can you not read english? ...
>
> ...
>
> > Hows that Enstien
>
> ...
>
> > such a selfish and lazy attitude, why don't you help.
>
> These kinds of comments are the antithesis of the professionalism we
> ought to be striving for in our relations on these lists. Calling
> people like Manoj lazy is a *gross* distortion of the truth.
It is also, a gross distortion of the truth, to treat me like, a
win95-windows-gui-only-otherwise-your-a-big-fat-moron zelot. I'm not all
I'm arguing for is a better users suport base for newbies, and users, who
want to USE linux not WRITE linux. thats not so bad is it? .... Manoj is
not lazy I know that. However his attitude is lax and selfish.
>
> > > Petra,> A modification to the gpl, written by a lawyer I know, would
> > > Petra,> cost us ~45$ us. to have a completly air tight (cough)
> > > Petra,> license that incorparates what we want without any of the
> > > Petra,> flaws, of the gpl, or artistic.
> > >
> > > I fail to find anything wrong with the BSD, Artistic, or the
> > > GNU public licenses. What flaws? rather than repeating your original
> > > statement, it would be edifying if you treated us to a view of what
> > > you percieve as a deficiency.
> >
> > this whole kde stuff could be fixed with a simple clause to the gpl.
>
> So why don't the KDE people add it? They are the ones who want to
> weaken it, not us.
in that case they would but in others....
>
> To quote RMS (http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-doc.html)
>
> "... they judge in purely practical terms, not using freedom as a
> criterion. These people are entitled to their opinions, but since
> those opinions spring from values which do not include freedom,
> they are no guide for those of us who do value freedom."
ah, yes a quote from the demi god of software himself... well here's one
for you.
"... do unto others as you would have done unto you."
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