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creating a .deb with only tar and ar



I've been folling around, trying to make a .deb package using only ar and
tar. I don't seem to be able to make it work. 

joey@kite:/tmp/test>ar x /var/mirror/debian/all/pdmenu_1.2.36.deb         
joey@kite:/tmp/test>ls
control.tar.gz  data.tar.gz     debian-binary
joey@kite:/tmp/test>ar r pdmenu.deb debian-binary control.tar.gz data.tar.gz 
joey@kite:/tmp/test>dpkg-deb -x pdmenu.deb .
dpkg-deb: file `pdmenu.deb' is not a debian binary archive (try dpkg-split?)

Does dpkg-deb do something tricky to the format of the ar file when it's
creating a .deb? Something that can't be reproduced using standard ar?

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see shy jo


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