Re: splitting experimental by arch?
>>"joost" == joost witteveen <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes:
>> The opposing argument is that this is a new package, and if people
>> load it, it is caveat emptor.
joost> Well, the opposing argument was that unstable is just the place
joost> for your package.
Sorry. There are a lot of people that live on unstable. And
the contention is that even packages in unstable are trying to be of
a quality that does not leave the machine unusable, yes, there are
bugs, but the packages are not known (or expected) to have major
We ask the developers to run unstable; and some packages just
do not belong on the general machine.
Packages in experimantal are meant for the subset of the
developers actively working in the are, and who are expected to keep
their eyes very wide open.
>> I disagree. Packages in stable should be tested and be close to
>> production quality. If the package is experimental in the authors
>> eyes, it should not be handed to users even if we know of no bugs
joost> Yes, of cource, your package (the one you described abouve)
joost> should not be in "Stable", it should be in "unstable". On the
joost> (rather rare) chance that there is a changeover from unstable->
joost> stable, then probably you should (just before the freeze or
joost> whatever) have the package removed.
Easier to have and use experimental, just in case.
My thesis is that we do need three levels of instability:
stable (released) : for the general public
unstable: (beta) : for developers, beta testers, and adventurous users
experimental: (alpha) : for people who are hacking the package
I think a three level system like this has worked quite well
for us in the past. Technically, an alpha testbed shall help us
experiment with packages while they are in a state more unstable than
the beta level unstable justifies.
joost> And if it will take a long time for the package to become
joost> usable, then maybe Debian doesn't really want to distribute it?
Huh? I definitely do not agree. If I upload a new package next
month (I am likely to upload a version ov cvs-buildpackage with major
changes), and then hamm freezes: then answer is we do not want
cvs-buildpackage? Just so there is no experimental category? Why on
earth for? what is your technical justification for not having
experimental just like we do now?
>> This is a quality of distribution issue.
joost> Of unstable?
Pewcisely. Unstable becomes stable automatically. If unstable
is shoddy quality, stable is likely to be of a lower quality. Improve
the quality of unstable, you'll have more people willing to test
unstable, and become developers, etc.
Why is quality of unstable such a novel concept?
By one count there are some 700 scientists with respectable academic
credentials (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life
scientists) who give credence to creation-science, the general theory
that complex life forms did not evolve but appeared "abruptly."
Newsweek, June 29, 1987, pg. 23
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