Re: Mailing lists and confidentiality
On Tue, 23 Sep 97 18:03 BST, Ian Jackson wrote:
>Manoj Srivastava sent me private email to complain about my posting
>about the Deity discussion to debian-devel, claiming that I had
>violated the privacy of the debian-private mailing list.
This seems typical of Manoj. In our adventures together it also always seemed
Bruce could do no wrong according to him.
>Information that I revealed included
> * that the Deity project is having some schedule problems;
> * that there is a flamewar about it in debian-private, and in
> particular
> * that I feel Bruce has been heavy-handed in his management of the
> situation.
>None of these pieces of information are or ought to be secret.
Again the term Free Software Project comes to mind.
>As I said in my previous mail, I would be much happier if we were to
>wash our dirty linen in public rather than behind closed doors.
....cause if you don't only the clique with the most influence gets heard.
>Dave Cinege suggests that the debian-dissent list would be a more
>appropriate place for part of this discussion. This probably stems
>partially from a lack of knowledge about the subject matter of the
>discussion, but I think that using debian-dissent even for the
>arguments about management practices would not be a very good idea.
>debian-dissent is not a core Debian mailing list, and I don't feel
>that the issues I'm talking about are ones that dissidents would
>primarily be interested in. Also, debian-dissent has not IMO had a
>very good quality record; there has been a lot of random abuse and
>general unhelpfulness. The last thing I want is for a fairly minor
>dispute about management style and a particular software project to be
>taken over by revolutionaries :-).
I don't either, but when a few of us did, we were chided, threathen, and
censored. (It has gone so far that I KNOW some of my posts were deleted
from the archives)
Because of the totalitarian nature of the people magaging the lists, and of the
core purpose of the dissent list, it can not served by 'official' (what ever that is
supposed to mean) means.
As for traffic, etc, there has not been much past Bruce sticking his head in
here and there and inciting some yelling till he goes. Nothing is really being
discussed. (I for one don't have time to seriously get into this right now.)
The list is there as a place you can talk about Debian problems and not worry
about being censored. It's what you make of it, not necessarily revolutionary.
(I don't think anything I've asked to be done is revolutionary, just questioning
the powers and actions of the current 'authorities')
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