Re: Future Debian CD plans
On Jan 20, email@example.com (Winfried Truemper) wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
> > If you are threatened by the premise of us selling a $2 CD because
> > we'd be commerical, look at what FSF wants for tapes.
> The FSF wants US$ 5000 for their Deluxe Distribution and $60 for the
> "source distribution". You can get the same thing for under US$ 20 from a
> vendor who calls his CD "official gnu archive". It's a matter of freedom,
> not price.
Exactly. And the same files, in fact the same isofs image, would be
available for "free" (+connect time).
> For me it's perfectly clear that the FSF wants symbolic sponsoring of
> their project by buying _their_ overpriced CD. This way they keep the
> freedom they promise through the GPL and encourage to widespread their
> sources. By billing US$ 2 you disorte the free competition among the
So it's OK if Debian sells an official CD, but not if someone else
does? We're not requiring that vendors sell official CDs. If a
vendor believes that the $2 fee makes them uncompetitive, then they
don't have to use the artwork. They can still sell a Debian CD,
with everything on the CD that would be on the official CD, right?
In fact, I think it is *Better* that anybody can make an *official*
CD, not just one particular vendor we choose to bless.
> > I am sure that we can ad a petty cash budget to the project without
> > alienating people. Ian Murdock got paid $10,000 to work on Debian, nobody
> > got upset.
> He got earnings which were not based on the work of the other Debian
> developers, that's the crucial difference.
Are you under the impression that Bruce is somehow going to make
money from this? I didn't see that implied at all.
> The problem is: before the project's problems are not solved, your policy
> decision will introduce even more problems than solving the current ones.
I disagree. The fact is that you cannot run a organization, even
a non-commercial, volunteer organization like Debian, without funds.
I don't think it is reasonable to expect a few generous souls to
continue to fund the project out of their own pockets. I also don't
think that there is much chance of surviving purely on donations.
The CD thing seems to be a reasonable way to generate some income
without becoming a commercial organization.
I've put a relatively small amount of time into this project so
far, but I've enjoyed it, I think I've done something worthwhile,
and I'd hate to see go down the tubes. I don't think I can imagine
how some of the major contributors would feel if that happened.
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