Ian, You (or somebody) moved many packages (including two by me, rman and tkman) into the NOT-ANNOUNCED directory this evening. Many of those packages (including mine) were indeed announced on debian-devel. Perhaps, you didn't receive the announcements, or is something else wrong? David -- David Engel Optical Data Systems, Inc. david@ods.com 1101 E. Arapaho Road (214) 234-6400 Richardson, TX 75081