Control: tags -1 -pending Control: noowner -1 On Sun, 2014-09-21 at 23:41 +0200, Markus Koschany wrote: > Hello Tobias, > > On 21.09.2014 18:26, Tobias Frost wrote: > > Am Saturday, den 20.09.2014, 17:33 +0200 schrieb Markus Koschany: > [...] > >> I said I could duplicate the code but I feel that we gain nothing with > >> it since I'm the only one who has to work with those packages. > > > > According d/control this package is team maintained. > > I have been working on this package for a year now and I am currently > the only one who cares about it. > > >> As long > >> as it is not a Policy violation, I would prefer to make some independent > >> decisions about maintaining my own packages. > > > > I'm not enforcing the decisions to you. You can still freely decide to > > change according to my request or not. But out of decissions follow > > consequences. > > > > Let me put this in some words, being very clear and very direct: > > The policy only describes a minimum set of rules. Best practice can go > > over this standards. The policy does not constitute a right for you to > > demand that I lower my standards in respect what I consider best > > practice, especially if you fail to convince me that you are right. > > If you cannot accept that, I will not the one sponsoring your uploads. > > > > Now, decide for the red or blue pill. > > I have already lost count how many times you gave me the choice between > sink or swim and it is definitely not very pleasant to learn from you > that you are not interested in my opinion. Very wrong. I checked every argument from your side and actually did also research to see if I am wrong with my view. > Since you are a member of the Debian Games Team, why didn't you simply > ask all your questions on our list or on IRC and closed the sponsorship > bugs? Besides there was always the opportunity to discuss everything in > detail, at least in one other language to avoid any misunderstandings. > This is not about Debian's policy or your right to make improvement > proposals. You simply don't listen to the one who knows this game best > without having any experience with games of this caliber. The list was always CC'ed and as there was an RFS I followed the mentors.d.n process. My focus was on the packaging work, and in this stage it is not very important what particular piece of software this is. > I presume the main issue here is that you never followed my advice to > have a look at the ufoai source package and to start with the game's > core. Did you ever compile the sources and play the game? From the flow > of our conversation, I can only deduce: No. Read carefully my mails again and you will find the clues that I indeed looked at src:ufoai. > You constantly ignored my objections and never understood the necessity > to create Debian compliant source tarballs out of upstream's Git > repository and most importantly, how this is actually achieved in a > Policy compliant way. Your question about the file removals could have > been easily answered by looking at the get-orig-source target. Instead > you jumped to a conclusion without considering the package maintainers > ideas. Wrong, I explained the issues I found in detail several times including my reasoning (and others backed me up on my view). The perceived response was: "Don't give me feedback, just upload it." This is why I told you several times that won't fly. I'm always direct, some people cannot cope with that, but also some people won't (or don't want to) understand the message otherwise. In the end we were maybe talking in total about 20-30 lines that I asked you to add -- and not to completely throw over your packaging style. > The decision is not about reality or illusion. More about: Is mutual > respect important? I think it is, so it's high time to quit here. Only If you equals missing respect to not being of the same opinion you are right. The Matrix reference is probably flawed, I've should used another. This has nothing to do with illusision, but more if you prefer to work together instead of constantly saying "I'll wont change this". I'd really loved to help you to bring this set of packages into Debian, especially as the game itself is quite nice. Otherwise I wouldn't have invested this much time. The above I consider non productive and therefore I won't answer this thread anymore, unless it is about the packaging and somehow a way is shown to resolve the (technical) issues in a way both can live with. -- tobi
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