Re: FYI: debian-legal is discussing the inclusion in the Debian archive of "erotic" interactive fiction depicting the sexual abuse of children
2014-03-12 11:44 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Jończyk <mat.jonczyk@o2.pl>:
> Hello,
> Please excuse me for posting to NSPCC. I misunderstood some posts on the mailing
> list and called for fire, which was unnecessary and rude.
>
> Please send the replies to debian-devel-games only. We do not want too much noise.
> Everyone interested on the other lists probably knows of the issue.
> I have been searching one post for 20 minutes and the dispersion across many
> mailing lists did not help here.
Thanks for helping making this a reasoned and civil discussion. I
acknowledge the difficulties of keeping emotions under control when
discussing things like this, and I thank your efforts.
[...]
> Some cultures treat viewing porn as bad in itself (primarily the Catholic Church
> and some other Christian denominations). Therefore I would ask You to not include
> any pornography in Debian. Keeping clean is difficult for us enough.
This is altogether a different topic, and a very difficult one. What
underlays is whether we should limit ourselves to distribute what
would be acceptable to every culture, at least the common ones, and
thus limiting ourselves only to politically correct packages. While I
acknowledge that it is debatable whether it would be a good or bad
idea to have pornographic contents of any kind in Debian, being them
in the shape of games, artwork, backgrounds or any other shape, the
argument itself can easily extend to more delicate issues. For example
-and this is an example I've been repeating quite a lot recently in
the context of this debate-, I wouldn't object at all to uploading a
game that involved a LGBT theme, or a visual novel promoting healthy
sexual education, even though those things are frowned upon by certain
cultures, and are even illegal in some countries (ie. Russia). For
some other groups of people, having packages including contents of the
Bible is offensive too. Some people find violence of any kind, even
virtual, quite offensive. We would end up forbidding everything.
I'm not saying that we should allow everything, it might not help
thinking on extremes in this situations. What I would like to achieve
would be to set the limits of what we consider generally acceptable
for inclusion in Debian, even if it means a reasonable compromise on
everyone's position. I'm not sure if it might involve allowing
pornography or nudity or any kind, if it would mean allowing
explicitly religious contents in the distribution, or if the limit
should be as low as to not even allow mentioning debatable stuff like
LGBT or abortion. I'm purposedly being extreme with my examples to
show that we probably won't like to take political correctness to the
extreme.
Of course, I would encourage to clearly indicate in the package
description the kind of game or contents it includes, so it would be
everyone's personal option to install it or not in their systems.
Greetings,
Miry
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