Bug#587668: My Approach is Completely Different...
Hello Again and thank you very much for the quick reply. I have searched
the mailing lists about this bug report and read everything I could
find. I saw that every discussion was started completely accepting that
the open logo license was not complient to the DFSG and continued on
what to do and how to do it. However, my approach here is completely
different: I want to clearly state that the license of the current logo
*IS* FREE and it is perfectly in comliance with the DFSG.
Yes, the license includes a limitation to the use of the logo but the
same kind of limitation is also included in GPL itself. Article #4 of
"You may convey verbatim copies of the Program's source code as you
receive it, in any medium, provided that you conspicuously and
appropriately publish on each copy an appropriate copyright notice; keep
intact all notices stating that this License and any non-permissive
terms added in accord with section 7 apply to the code; keep intact all
notices of the absence of any warranty; and give all recipients a copy
of this License along with the Program."
This states that you cannot redistribute a piece of software licensed
with GPL if you claim that this was created by you or this was not GPL.
This is the same limitation as the Logo License puts on the use of the
logo. So, if we are removing the use of our own logo from our own distro
then we need to remove all GPL licensed software too. Even we do that,
even we decide to write everything from scratch and remove all the GPL
software from Debian then at the time we accept this, we will also fall
in the contradiction with DFSG itself which clearly states GPL as free!
If I take Debian logo and use it as my company logo, it will not violate
the terms of the open logo license but it will also violate the meaning
of being free. Debian Logo of course must refer to the Debian Project.
In the same sense with GPL's limitation that any software created by
John Doe should include the Copyright Notice of John Doe himself.
Seeing all that discussions and all that serious decisions made, I am
not sure if this subject should be moved to another place other than
this bug report and discussed more. I have two serious arguments which I
can summarize as:
1. The current license of Debian Logo is FREE and completely in
compliance with the DFSG.
2. We should consider adding more clear limitations to the current
license of the logo so both the Debian's Image of Identity and the
Debian Logo could be protected.
3. We should merge two different license terms for the logo with or
without debian, into one; since the seperation, I believe, comes from
the misbelief that the license was not free and the need of providing a
version of the logo to be used.
drop the word "debian" from the artwork. What
do we loose anyway?
Please my friend, come on, please! We lose our own freedom here and
freedom worths fighting, not that we are in any kind of fight here. We
should not cause people mocking "Debian is free, it is as free as they
cannot use their own logo on their own distribution!" I believe the
issue not solved and I also believe that to be confident on what we do,
we should solve this in complete clearness closing every door for any
As for the theme I am working on, I created a page
[http://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/BoldDebian] following the
contest guides and because it is not finished I didn't add it to the
contest page as my proposal. On the wiki page currently there is nothing
but only a few sentences about the concept which is being built. I am
planning to design a deeply detailed theme in a long period of time.
Considering the fact that Wheezy has a long way before being frozen, I
think I have several months and it is great. I will add what I am doing
continuously on the wiki page expecting feedback positive or negative.
Please help me there with ideas, comments, and corrections.
Greeting everybody in the community with the great love of freedom,
A newbie and wanna-be member of the Debian Community.