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Re: StarlingX looking at alternatives to CentOS

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 6:30 PM Saul Wold wrote:

> I am a member of the StarlingX Community [0], which is a cloud
> infrastructure stack that presents Kubernetes, containerized OpenStack
> along with a grouping (flock) of management tools.

Please note that Debian bullseye has packages for Kubernetes and
OpenStack, I expect those teams would welcome help maintaining them.

> StarlingX uses a custom kernel and patches some userspace with a custom
> build system based around mock and rpmbuild.

Please consider getting your Linux kernel patches included upstream,
there are a lot of advantages to that.


Some of the other aspects of your custom kernel might be useful to
apply to the Debian Linux kernel build.

Please send your userspace patches upstream too.

I'd encourage you to switch to a non-custom build system too, I expect
one of the many existing ones would suit your needs.

> We would like to contribute to the Debian eco-system as well of course.

There are lots of ways to help Debian, please especially note the ways
organisations can help Debian at the end of this page:


The how-can-i-help tool can point out more specific ways to help:


> Our concerns have to do with
> 1) Build Tooling
> We have been looking at pbuilder and debbuild, ,but want to understand
> if there are automated building scripts (I did find buildd).

Debian uses wanna-build for management of builds and sbuild for running
individual builds.


There are many other options for this and the derivatives census lists
info about what each derivative uses.


> 3) Status of Bullseye
> Again I have seen the release pages.

The best way to find out the status of bullseye for your use cases is
to install, run and test it. Of course it will be fluctuating until the
final freeze before the release.

> 5) lots of other considerations around patching userspace, adding
> missing packages to the debian ecosystem, creating custom repos (either
> with DAK or repropro).

There are many different tools for apt repos and the derivatives census
lists info about what each derivative uses, reprepro is popular.


> 6) other unknowns of transitioning from CentOS -> Debian

Please take a look at the Debian derivatives guidelines:


Debian jargon may differ to CentOS, check out our glossary:




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