Re: Societies without Money (Was: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta)
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:46:00 -0600, Wesley wrote in message
> (Removing -legal, since this is just a total tanget)
> On Tuesday 05 June 2007 06:20:08 MJ Ray wrote:
> > Wesley J. Landaker <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> > > On Sunday 03 June 2007 14:46:12 Anthony W. Youngman wrote:
> > > > And what about societies without money? "fee" does NOT equal "money".
> > > > Your "common knowledge" is not my understanding ...
> > >
> > > Okay, now I'm really curious. Exactly which "societies without money"
> > > are you talking about?
> > I'll let the PP answer for himself, but mention that money can be seen as
> > a trick and you can read more about that view in Robert Tressell's book
> > The Ragged-Trousered Philanthropist, which is PD at Gutenberg; and also
> > that local exchange trading schemes exist, but would it make something
> > any less a fee if someone can trade their work as payment?
> Well, I totally understand the concept of money and how it can be viewed in
> various paradigms. Of course there have always been local exchange systems
> and ad hoc trading, etc.
> But seriously, what real "society" actually exists today that has absolutely
> no money? Does this same society have computers? Does this really a
> self-contained society that really does not have money, or is this just a
> small group inside another society who has decided to -- internally --
> pretend like they don't have money?
> I'm honestly curious, because to my knowledge there is no such society
> existing on the Earth today. If I'm wrong, hey, maybe I'd like to sign up.
>  For example, communes where people work and share together without any
> fixed payment. But in reality, they have to sell their goods/services into
> the "real" society around them to e.g. pay for property taxes & buy oil for
> their windmills, get books to read, and upgrade their harddrives.
..really? Liposuction. Swine lard has been used as lube for
milleniums. In wind mills too. ;o)
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o)
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
Scenarios always come in sets of three:
best case, worst case, and just in case.