(long) Re: Why would I want an LFS system?
Dear Gerard,
Quoting Gerard Beekmans <gerard@linuxfromscratch.org>:
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Csan (Ja'nos Hola'nyi) wrote:
> > I think the Debian Project should register 'www.debianfromscratch.org'
> and
> > put up one single line on the web page:
> >
> > Want a ready house? 'apt-get --compile source <package>'
>
> You may be missing the point of LFS here.
Let's see.
(btw, pls read this list as a 'debian-curiosa' list, the emphasis being on the
'-curiosa' part)
> I didn't start LFS at all to compete with distributions out there. They
> are
> doing a wondeful job and I have nothing bad to say what distributions
> like
> Debian, Redhat, Slackware, and others have to offer (honestly, before I
> started LFS I was a fervent Debian user because it was closest to
> having
> full control. LFS really isn't to spit on distro's).
Good to read this. :)
Still, i feel like on the URL I included from linuxfromscratch.org, your text
could be interpreted in an ambigous way.
I think it is at least a global unwritten law that you do advocacy for something
by not mentioning any other similar things, their names (sorry for not
mentioning any special kind of project, product, etc. here ;)) and do not let
the readers draw - btw false - parallel assumptions against the concurrent projects.
I am really sorry if my worries do not apply and my poor knowledge of reading
written English led me to feel like that. ;D
> LFS is a teaching aid. Even if you would have the debianfromscratch
> project
> with it's apt-get --copmile source packge, you still don't learn
> nothing.
As also somebody else on this list mentioned, the same applies to ./configure &
make install
Doesn't it?
This list is debian-curiosa, and as such, I felt like that kind of little pun
could be tolerated (the 'debianfromscratch' part) ;)
I don't think and believe anyone having read that would go and register that
name and start a project :)
The most meaning of such a debianfromscratch project could be a blind redirect
to www.debian.org, since you _can_ already build your own Debian from scratch,
using the available sources (excluding almost all of non-free and contrib sections)
> The idea of LFS is to teach people more of what goes on behind the
> scenes
> and allows you to make changes to the very core of your Linux system.
(Thumbs up)
> Even with the amount of control a package manager offers, you still use
> the distro's implementation of things like bootscripts, filesystem
> hierarchy, _how_ software is compiled (ie: which options are or aren't
> compiled into a program or library).
... with the main idea not to reinvent the wheel and keep things organized, and
easy to cross-reference.
E.g. If you spread your files all over your system following your own rules than
you will have real hard times finding somebody to help in case of need.
> And yes, I do believe that when you're installing an LFS system you do
> pick
> up a few advantages like learning more about Linux than a distro
> installation can teach you, a sense of 'this is my system, not
> borrowing
> somebody elses points of view'.
See previous paragraph.
> > PS: don't misunderstand: I find LFS a good project. They just
> shouldn't
> > claim invalid stuff (e.g. about Debian) ;).
>
> By far the most interesting thing from this thread is that little
> footnote
Please don't ignore the header also!
'rfc = request for comments'
So thank you for your comment :D
> of yours. If you think I wrote something down that's invalid regarding
> Debian, why did you never said anything? I would've cleaned up that
> confusion immediately.
I quoted almost the entire page. I believe the quotes stand for themselves.
Please see e.g. Mikael's reply, he has a few very good points for you as
suggestions, I believe. ;)
> Like I said, I'm not bashing distro's, just
> offering
> a teaching aid which can replace a distribution alltogether if you're
> willing to invest the time in maintaining it (which I agree is quite
> substantial and isn't worthwhile for everybody).
Excellent job, keep it up.
I hope you don't feel offended like I (also) do when reading that page.
But I can cope with that, don't worry :)
(Me as an - almost fanatic - Debian fan and user)
Best regards,
Csan
János Holányi
Hungarian Association of Linux Users
Email: csani@lme.linux.hu
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