>>>>> "Russ" == Russ Allbery <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes: >> I have not come to the TC to ask them to overrule the maintainer >> frivolously nor before exploring as many other options as I >> could. Russ> I understand (oh, boy, do I ever) how strained relationships Russ> are after the long-running init system battles, but it's very Russ> hard to resolve problems without the TC when one of the Russ> parties is unwilling to communicate. There have been a lot of Russ> other hostile and aggressive threads about init system issues, Russ> but this specific bug is not one of them as far as I can tell. Russ> I don't want to force anyone into communicating when they Russ> don't want to (general rule 2.1.1), but then I think they need Russ> to welcome NMUs or a co-maintainer who can deal with the Russ> things they don't want to have to think about or *something*. Russ> This kind of silent treatment is really demoralizing to other Russ> people in the project who are not at fault for any of the Russ> historical init system hostility. I'd like to second Russ's analysis here. I was DPL during a chunk of the relevant time, and was not able to get communication happening even when relevant parties (Mark in particular) were being constructive. I totally understand being burned out on the issue of init systems. I totally understand being a maintainer who doesn't want to deal with that. I think the solution Russ proposes is right in that situation: find someone you trust to NMU or act as a co-maintainer to move things forward. I think it is entirely reasonable for the TC to consider factors like whether a maintainer is willing to do that. Yeah, it sucks when we override a maintainer. Yes, that's demotivating. So is creating a situation where people who are being constructive cannot even engage. It's one thing to engage with a maintainer and have them consider your arguments and disagree. It's another thing entirely when people are trying to work constructively within the spirit of a GR that we as a community passed and cannot even get their contributions considered. That drives people away and discourages Debian from growing. I don't think we want that culture.
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