Bug#741573: Proposed draft of ballot to resolve menu/desktop question
Le vendredi, 28 août 2015, 13.51:52 Ian Jackson a écrit :
> Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes:
> > Keith's proposal doesn't imply that the trad menu would "be
> > destroyed" (your words),
>
> It does. There is nothing in Keith's proposal which preserves the
> existing trad menu metadata. According to `apt-file search' that is a
> database of 2296 menu entries (in wheezy).
Sorry, but this is just _wrong_, and I can't let you continue arguing
that way. All the proposals on the table leave room for the trad-menu to
exist, only that the packages are not required to provide menu entries
themselves anymore.
I think apparmor is a fine example: the maintainers of apparmor do
maintain the apparmor-profiles package which collects apparmor profiles
for packages that don't ship them (or that ship outdated or broken
ones). This gives them an easy way to have an overview of the profiles,
update the outdated ones centrally, etc. Both the apparmor profiles in
the packages and those in the apparmor-profiles package coexist.
The "trad-menu" database will be preserved iff there is enough manpower
to make this happen: either through an automated desktop-to-menu
translation interface, or through a centralisation of that database.
The crux of the issue is IMHO whether it makes sense to continue to put
the burden to maintain this database (with a by-policy larger coverage,
but also technically overcome [icons, translation], etc) on all
packagers through our technical policy. Multiple major desktop
environments simply _ignore_ this database (for a long time), and they
provide the base for a certain majority of our users that make use of
either the trad-menu or the XDG-menu.
Continuing to claim that either fellow developers or to the TC as body
wants the destruction of the 'trad-menu' is IMHO a mis-caracterisation
of these opinions, and feels like a way to twist arms.
Claiming that multiple developers (both during the Policy discussion as
well as here) want to get rid of the "should" obligation imposed on all
application package maintainers to provide "trad-menu" entries seems way
more correct to me.
OdyX
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