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Bug#636783: Bug#795855: #636783 - New bugs for individual issues

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:12:08AM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:39:06 +0200 Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> wrote:
> > - #795855
> >   Introduction of formal cloture vote for the TC

> > - #795857
> >   TC chair appointment

> Given context, I think these originally shotgunned proposals (especially
> these two) need careful re-evaluation, to figure out how much actual
> point they have and how much they're just a reflection of a past spite.

> The "cloture" proposal honestly seems like a needless pile of additional
> process.  Anyone can call for a vote at any time, and I don't think
> that's a bug; if people agree that a vote is warranted, they can vote,
> and if they don't, they can vote "further discussion".  If even a simple
> majority is opposed to holding a vote, they can all vote "Further
> Discussion".  Anyone else can *also* call for a vote at any time, if
> they feel there's another issue to discuss.

> So, I would suggest that the "cloture" proposal should be consigned to a
> historical note along with the fit of pique it came from.

This was no fit of pique.  I consider the fact that any single member of the
TC can cut short discussion by calling a vote to be a serious bug in a
process that is otherwise designed to favor consensus instead of mere
majority rule.  It is precisely at those times that the TC has not found
consensus that the process should be proofed against procedural abuses
(which I still consider the call for votes on the init system to have been,
regardless of whether there was any malicious intent).

Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
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slangasek@ubuntu.com                                     vorlon@debian.org

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