Package: tech-ctte Severity: normal Hi all, here's my understanding of the state of our "Introduction of a formal cloture vote procedure for the TC" discussion. In June 2014, in answer to a proposal from Ian to introduce a minimum discussion period in the TC, Steve, referring to a previous TC IRC discussoin, proposed in <20140628005011.GA8684@virgil.dodds.net> to introduce a formal cloture vote procedure for the TC, with the following "strawman" Le vendredi, 27 juin 2014, 17.50:11 Steve Langasek a écrit : > - Any member of the TC may call for a cloture vote on a proposed > ballot at any time. > - Quorum for a cloture vote is 1/2 + 1 members. > - A cloture vote must receive 2/3 majority in favor in order to pass. > - Voting period for cloture is 48 hours, or until the outcome is no > longer in doubt. > - Ballot options proposed during the cloture vote shall be included > on the ballot. > - If a cloture vote fails, any TC member who voted in favor of > cloture may not repeat the call for a period of one week following > the first call. Other members of the TC may call for cloture during > this time. > - If a cloture vote fails, any ballot options that are subsequently > proposed and not withdrawn shall be included on the ballot for the > issue. > - If, two weeks after the original call for cloture, there have been > no further ballot options proposed, voting proceeds on the original > ballot. > > Features: > > - If there is procedural consensus, we can act as quickly as we need > to. > - If someone tries to CFV too early, whether because of an error > in judgement or because they're trying to cut off debate, a > "cooldown" period applies, ensuring that a failed cloture vote > actually leaves room for further discussion > - However, as soon as any one person who has voted against cloture is > satisfied with a revised ballot, they can call for cloture again > and the vote can move forward > - A CFV can largely not be used to prevent a minority viewpoint being > represented on the ballot, since additional ballot options can be > submitted during the cloture vote and are guaranteed to be > included. > - Voting down cloture cannot be used to prevent a question from > coming to a vote; anyone opposed to cloture must still put in the > effort to come up with alternative ballot options or the vote will > still happen. > > Misfeatures: > > - A member of the TC can ensure "irrelevant" ballot options are > included on the ballot, possibly spoiling the vote. I don't think > this is a real issue. But then, I also fundamentally disagree with > Bdale's characterization of the init system ballot proposals as > "conflation"; so I consider this the lesser evil compared with the > status quo, and think it should not be possible for any member of > the TC to ever do again what Bdale did in that case. This proposal was answered by Anthony in <CAJS_LCXtwOTZxPefbUjXh_x8- Sq0Oafy571LgG4YZ0XjzZo+Fw@mail.gmail.com> with the following alternative strawman: Le dimanche, 29 juin 2014, 20.35:56 Anthony Towns a écrit : > - Any member of the TC may call for votes on a ballot at any time. > - When calling for votes, the TC member may propose any combination > of resolutions they believe is appropriate to be considered on the > ballot, provided they fall under the ctte's constitutional powers. > - When voting on the ballot, TC members may rank the proposed options > from 1 to n in the normal manner for Debian ballots. > - An additional "Cloture" option will be automatically added to the > ballot. > - The Cloture option may only be marked "Y" to approve cloture, or > "N" to deny cloture. > - The Cloture option is the default option for the SRP. A "Y" vote > for cloture is treated as ranking the default option below all > others (including unranked options). A "N" vote is treated as > ranking the default option above all others. > - In the event that cloture fails (ie, the default option wins the > SRP), the TC members should discuss the reasons for the failure and > produce a new ballot that is able to pass cloture. > > (SRP=Standard Resolution Procedure) The discussion stalled there, let's use this very bug to discuss this issue. Cheers, OdyX
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