Bug#741573: #741573: Menu Policy and Consensus
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:20:52 +0200 Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org> wrote:
> Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> wrote:
> That seems very unlikely to me. Diversity is an important part of
> Debian. I think it is likely that the TC is going to value the Debian
> Menu as long as Bill or someone else is going to work on it. I would
> expect us to value the menu enough to enable those who want to
> contribute to it to do so.
>
> Given the state menu is in, reading this is… flabbergasting, to say the
> least. I would answer tons of things, but fortunately they have already
> been put together concisely: http://islinuxaboutchoice.com/
>
> I think that's consistent with the consensus proposal that you asked us
> to consider in this bug.
>
> The consensus proposal was, in order to preserve some bits of Bill's
> ego, to let menu die slowly by stopping to require mandatory entries for
> a useless menu system that only a handful of obscure window managers are
> still able to display. Now that Bill has made very clear, by completely
> giving in to ridicule, that his ego should not be a problem, Charles is
> merely proposing to accelerate that process and avoid pain for everyone.
Josselin, do you really believe that an inflamatory message like this is
the right way to get your point across and get people to agree with you?
While I agree with the underlying arguments you're referring to, both
about "choice" and about the (lack of) value of the old menu system,
this kind of mail doesn't help anyone get past this issue, nor does it
come across as reasonable. It's worth noting that the old menu system
provided a significant amount of value for many years, long before the
XDG menu existed. That it no longer holds as much importants as it once
did is no reason to denigrate people involved with it.
- Josh Triplett
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