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Re: Bug#727708: call for votes on default Linux init system for jessie

On Sat, Feb 08, 2014 at 03:24:34PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > At this point, it's blocking folks inside Debian, who are stakeholders.
> > It's not just the trolls of reddit and the internet, it's DDs who are
> > annoyed there's no decision and integration work isn't started. We're
> > less than a year from freeze.
> Annoyed, yes.  Blocked, no.  There has never been anything blocking any
> Debian developer from doing work on improving the integration of systemd in
> Debian, on their own packages or on the packages of others.  This has always
> been possible, without making systemd the default at all.

I understand you think that, and I empathize, but I disagree.

The fact is, I have limited time. If I'm going to focus on making a
bigger impact with my work, I'm going to stick to dealing with issues
that effect the most users.

I don't care about the init system all that much, in the end, it's not
important. I do care about ensuring we have something maintainable and

As soon as we settle which init system is default (and by a rough count,
I believe this issue is resolved now, thank you TC :) ), I can start
spending time on ensuring we have a polished distro throughout this
change by testing, and contributing patches when I hit issues that I
have time to fix.

I think this is the norm. I assure you it was not only annoying, but
also blocking.

> If anyone *does* think they are blocked in doing this integration work
> because the default has not been decided, that can only be because of a
> misunderstanding of what deciding the default *means*.

I don't grok. Default means it's going to be used by all users unless
they're technical enough to change it, in which case, I care slighly
less, since they're able to fix it and provide patches when they hit

> And that is
> precisely why I don't think it's good for the TC to send such an easily
> misinterpreted message by deciding the default without addressing the
> surrounding issues.

I understand why you might think that, but I believe it to not be
entirely in-line with how many view the situation.


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