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Bug#727708: init system question before the technical committee

Hi Russ,

On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:23:06AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes:
> > Ian Jackson writes:

> >> So I would appreciate it if you (and by "you" I mean each side of the
> >> argument) would make sure that your page represents the best case you
> >> can put forward.

> > This seems to have come along very well in the past few days.

> > We now have five camps with pages with substantial content:

> >   https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/multiple
> >   https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/openrc
> >   https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd
> >   https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/sysvinit
> >   https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/upstart

> > Obviously people will need some time to further flesh this out and
> > particularly to write rebuttals (or incorporate points into their main
> > text which amount to rebuttals).

> > If you're in one of these camps you'll probably want to subscribe to
> > the pages of the others, so you can follow what they're doing and make
> > sure to respond appropriately.

> > How long do people think finalising this is going to take ?  There are
> > some potential problems with setting a hard deadline in advance but
> > we're hoping to deal with this matter fairly soon now.

> We've now gotten confirmation from the maintainers of the systemd position
> statement that they consider their statement basically finished.  I think
> those are the only position statement maintainers we've heard from.

> What is the current status of the other position statements from the
> perspective of their maintainers?  Do people have a feel for when they'll
> consider their positions finalized, at least pending Technical Committee
> feedback and questions?

> > Perhaps it would be good if the camp leader(s) for each camp would
> > reply with a summary of:
> >   - the status of their own main arguments: are you mostly done,
> >      or do you expect to add more substantial points
> >   - the status of their rebuttals: subject of course, to any future
> >      changes by the other camps, how close are you to having what
> >      you consider a good answer to the other camps' points ?

> I think this would still be a good idea.

At this point I'm satisfied with
<https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/upstart>, at least as a starting
point for further discussion with the TC.  I'm sure the systemd folks and I
could go back and forth interminably polishing our rhetoric, but I'd rather
turn our attention to actual questions that the other members of the TC find
relevant. ;)

Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer                                    http://www.debian.org/
slangasek@ubuntu.com                                     vorlon@debian.org

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