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Bug#636783: proposed constitution fix for super-majority within the tech ctte



Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes:

> I think I agree.  Perhaps we should offer that as the only option for
> change.

> How about this:

>   In Constitution 6.3 (wdiff -i):

>     3. Public [-discussion and-] decision-making.

>        [-Discussion,-]
>        Draft resolutions and amendments, and votes by members
>        of the committee, are made public on the Technical Committee public
>        discussion list. There is no separate secretary for the Committee.

>   Rationale:

>   On occasion we have been asked to decide on controversial matters
>   such as maintainership of packages.  Allowing the TC to officially
>   hold private conversations will make it much easier for us to take
>   on a mediation role, which necessarily involves talking to each side
>   in private.

>   It will also make it easier for people to informally seek the advice
>   of the TC.  On a number of occasions recently, enquirers have
>   emailed TC members' personal addreses to sound out our opinions.
>   This has worked well; however it is not clear that Constitution
>   permits it.  This situation should be regularised.

>   Actual decisionmaking will still take place in public of course.

This looks fine to me.

> I still think we should formally allocate issues to TC members as they
> come in.

I'm also okay with this, and I'm happy to take on more issues.  I'm trying
to drive our current issues through to completion as much as I can right
now, as you've probably noticed.

> Do you agree that the maximum size should be increased ?  It would
> look something like this perhaps:

I'm not sure on this.  To me, it hasn't felt like our problems have so
much been with manpower as with an unwillingness to just create a ballot
and vote on something.  The conversation drifts into silence rather than
resulting in a call for votes.  I think we should try to be better at
recognizing the point of diminishing returns and call for a vote, which
would let us handle things more efficiently.

Separately, though, I do agree with checking with the current TC members
to see if they have time to devote to the TC going forward.

>   In Constitution 6.2(1) and (2), increase the maximum size of the
>   Technical Committee from 8 to 12.

>   Rationale:

>   The TC is currently at its maximum size of 8.  However TC members
>   tend to be very busy people so there is still something of a
>   shortage of effort.  We would like to have the option to increase
>   the size of the committee to see if that helps get decisions made in
>   a more timely fashion.

I don't actually disagree with this, though, and I'd probably vote for it.
I'm just not sure it's horribly important.

>>>     In the past the Technical Committee have been slow and reluctant
>>>     to overrule a maintainer unless all the members are absolutely
>>>     convinced that the maintainer's decision was wrong.

>>>     Option A: This is the correct approach.

>>>     Option B: TC members should be willing to vote to overrule
>>>         if they feel that the maintainer's decision was wrong;
>>>         the supermajority requirement is sufficient to guard
>>>         against overruling in questionable cases.

>> Hm.  That's interesting, yes.  I have no idea what the outcome of that
>> vote would be, and I'd be curious to see how it turned out.  I think
>> this should be a separate GR, though; I don't think it's really related
>> to the above procedural issues.

> Certainly, yes, but we should hold it concurrently.

> Do you have any opinions about wording, rationale, etc. ?

I'm okay with the wording above, personally.

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org)               <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>



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