Re: Bug#573745: Please decide on Python interpreter packages maintainership
Hello Steve,
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 05:07, Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 11:50:50PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote:
>> > (And
>> > once the release team had finally found an slot for python-defaults
>> > pointing to 2.6 in unstable Matthias did an upload quite fast - as it
>> > should be.)
>
>> ah so the maintainership is reduced to a "please release a new
>> package" button? :) what you describe it ALL that he did for the
>> transition. I don't call it helping, I call it passive blocking it,
>> personally I'd expect more from him: are you really fine with a
>> "superb" maintainer not "wasting" his time in collaboration and with a
>> debian-python environment that it's forced to do all the work because
>> it really cares about python? I'm not, sorry.
>
> There is a pattern here of asserting that, where Matthias' maintenance of
> Python has not met the expectations of others in the Debian Python
> community, it is because he does not "care". This does not encourage the
> named developer to value working with you. Consider that Matthias has been
> a Debian developer for over 12 years. If you had been involved in a
> community project for this long, how would you respond to people claiming
> that you don't care about the quality of your contributions to it? You
> might not respond with silence, but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't respond
> favorably. And you probably wouldn't regard those people as colleagues that
> you want to work more closely with.
Ok this reasoning is correct for people like me, that used to be quite
critics in the last period; but please also consider that when I
joined (back then) debian-python, and I started "fresh" (without
preconceptions, since I didn't attend 2006 debconf) but that didn't
change much: anyone coming from debian-python was kinda banned.
> When I see people making such a claim about other developers, I give less
> weight to their opinions. Particularly in the midst of a discussion about
> whether Matthias is willing to accept comaintainers on his packages, my
> immediate reaction is: of /course/ he doesn't want to have /you/ as a
> comaintainer! And as a result, I'm less inclined to think you're a suitable
> maintainer for the package. What the python packages in Debian need above
> all is people who will rise above the past conflicts instead of perpetuating
> them with an equal but opposite bias.
As I consider this appeal, I don't care if it will be me, all the
original signers or a completely new set of people to be added to
python maintainership, as long as the situation improves and will
never ever happen again what happened in the last years. If this
appeal "made things moving" I think I already succeeded a bit in my
objective.
> That means, for instance, that I would make an unsuitable comaintainer for
> Python, because I'm very, very bitter about how the Python policy
> discussions have played out in the years since the BoF in Mexico, and there
> are more people to share in the blame for that than just Matthias.
I was not there, so I can't speak for what happened there, but I know
what I experienced after that: an "hostile" env, with an active and
friendly place to work (debian-python) on one side, and a kind of
"obscure" role (python maintainer) on the other. And this is for
either old contributors like new-comers.
Do you want to give me all the blame for all that happened (the
appeal, the accusation, the harsh and so)? sure, I have no problem
taking it, only I think that's simply a reduced (and relatively
recent) part of the problem, and trying to deviate from the main
problem (a python maintainer that doesn't want to play nice with most
of his peer) won't help that much.
> Fortunately, the TC doesn't have to be wise enough to be good maintainers
> for the python package, though - just wise enough to pick someone /else/ to
> be good maintainers...
That's why I wanted to appeal to CTTE.
Regards,
--
Sandro Tosi (aka morph, morpheus, matrixhasu)
My website: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/
Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi
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