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Re: [Yaird-devel] Re: Processed: Escalating #345067 to the technical comittee, as the maintainer asked me to do so, and is unable or unwilling to do his job without this.



On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 08:17:29PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 11:43:34PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 02:03:17AM -0800, Debian Bug Tracking
> > > System wrote:
> > > > Subject: Re: Processed: Escalating #345067 to the technical
> > > > comittee, as the maintainer asked me to do so, and is unable or
> > > > unwilling to do his job without this.

> > > > > reassign 345067 tech-ctte
> > > > Bug#345067: [powerpc] ide-generic is not built on powerpc, yaird
> > > > Bug#tries to include it and fails 343427:
> > > > Bug#linux-image-2.6.14-2-powerpc: Installation fails
> > > > Bug reassigned from package `yaird' to `tech-ctte'.

> > > I can see there's some sort of dispute over this bug, but I can't
> > > see a precise explanation of exactly what it breaks. 

> > ide-generic is not built on powerpc,

> ...on official Debian kernels. But other kernels may very well build
> that module.

OTOH, other kernels may build the driver in, which would be yet another
false positive here.

> > yaird will inconditionally try to include ide-generic into the
> > ramdisk if via82cxxx is present (while the real hacky workaround was
> > not to load it always, but only to load it after via82cxxx).

> There seem to be no real concensus on what exactly was the problem, the
> core bug, the optimal workaround or the optimal solution.

Which is very much a problem.  If we knew what bug was being worked around,
we could offer alternate suggestions that would be acceptable to all
parties; but as things stand, we seem to have no choice but to make a
decision based on incomplete information.  It would be best if you could
find some hard evidence to back up the claim that via82cxxx and ide-generic
were both needed with some kernel version.

For my part, if we were voting today, I would side with Sven and ask you to
remove this workaround from yaird.  I do understand that the yaird design
philosophy is to never install an initramfs that we have any reason to
suspect won't work, but I think that has to take a back seat to the fact
that this package currently doesn't work at all for official Debian kernels
on powerpc, for a significant number of machines where we know the
workaround isn't needed.

Particularly given the lack of solid information about the bug being worked
around, and the abundance of evidence that the workaround is overly broad
and has significant negative side-effects, I don't think the current
solution is acceptable.

-- 
Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
vorlon@debian.org                                   http://www.debian.org/

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