Re: [firstname.lastname@example.org: Re: Bug#161931: kernel-image-2.4.19-k7: VESA driver for console]
* Manoj Srivastava [Sat, Oct 26 2002, 12:10:06AM]:
> Maintainability? There is more to clean code than mere
> aesthetics. As the kernel moves towards initrds and modularity,
Yes, you and Xu are of the same kind. You place some ideals (code
perfectness, even with harmless code) over user's wishes.
> Ian> Guesswork. No-one in this argument has any concrete data.
> Yes. But the mainainer, being close to the package, and
> presumably interacting with more users than non maintainers, often
> has a better feel for subjective guess work like this.
Exactly this is the question and the answer (here) is: NO.
> Ian> Do business users often turn on quotas on desktop machines ? I'd be
> Ian> surprised. For servers, of course, most people will (or should!)
> Ian> build their own kernels.
> Then I think you should be prepared to be surprised;
> Dec/Compaq, the university of massachusetts at amherst (various
> departments), and several other companies I a=have ahd contact with
> all had soft and hard quotas turned on.
Well, on how machines? Sure they should be enabled on large servers,
the number of them is not impressive.
> The maintainer has come up with a reasonable stance that the
> solution requires suboptimal code; prevents inclusion of
> modular code that other users may like, there is a reasonable
> alternative (vga16), and in his considered judgement
> fulfillment of the wishlist is bad.
When the maintainer does not give much on the user's wishes if they do
not match their own's, I will fight against this rule (*). I showed that
vga16 is an excuse and not a replacement.
(*): A fresh case,
Prety easy to fix in the kernel and it would work for any program. But
how refuses to accept this simple fix, because of the same
> The ctte has no grounds to override the maintainer based on
> mere guesswork, since they can't in honesty claim to have better
> guesses than the maintainer.
Reminds me on the Ivanova's God speech, but those days it was funny(**).
PS: (**) On your way back I'd like you to memorize the Babylon 5 mantra. Ivanova
is always right. I will listen to Ivanova. I will not ignore Ivanova's
recommendations. Ivanova is god. And, if this ever happens again,
Ivanova will personally rip your lungs out. Babylon control out.