Re: [herbert@gondor.apana.org.au: Re: Bug#161931: kernel-image-2.4.19-k7: VESA driver for console]
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* Herbert Xu [Fri, Oct 25 2002, 10:00:20PM]:
> > > Firstly I argue that VESA FB is only needed by a very small proportion
> > > of our i386 users. This stems from the fact that the great majority of
> >
> > I strongly object to this attitude. Shall we start argumenting for
>
> What attitude? The sentence you quoted is just a premise for the
> conclusion below.
Exactly, you argument with "minority" not knowing the numbers.
> Well the laptop users that you know seem to be rather different
> from those that I know. The people who I know either use X or
> are quite happy with text in vga16.
>
> > VGA16 as replacement is a joke - and you know this.
>
> It's quite useable for laptops in text mode at least.
Useable - sure, but how? Sticked to 640x480, too large font, a nightmare
for console user. And it is not sharpen on LCD monitors while you can
set a vesafb resolution that you need.
> > > it as a matter of principle. There is a number of other device drivers
> > > in the kernel which have not be modularised. They're similar to VESA FB
> >
> > Examples please. Good examples.
>
> arpd, sch_atm, lp_console, nfs_root, ...
As said, _good_ examples. How many users need that features? Note, am
talking about masses of home and soho systems, not terminal servers.
> > You have already began to do so with much larger pieces of code, ie.
> > quota support. Remember, we are talking about support for a hardware
>
> Well It's my job as the maintainer to make such decisions. I have
> decided that quota is of general interest and irreplaceble while
> vesafb is not.
I do not know any single user that uses quota on the personal box, only
few servers.
> > Who exactly needs this flexibility? Your kernel packages are for
> > _users_.
>
> The flexibility to modularise fbcon. You may wish to use an alternative
> implementation for instance.
As said, WHO needs it?
> > As said, it is said to be not trivial.
>
> I certainly see no obvious stumbling block. Unfortunately I have so
> many things to do and the fact that you keep bitching certainly isn't
> a great motivating factor.
Sure. But I am not the first and not the last person bitching
about your bullheaded decisions. EOD.
Gruss/Regards,
Eduard.
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