Re: Can we do something now?
On Feb 24, Jim Westveer decided to present us with:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lalo Martins [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
> > I'm thinking not only of consulting, but also training. I
> > thought of a name like "Debian Professional Consulting and
> > Education Collective".
> Humm...How about "Debian Consulting and Education" DCE.
Reasoning for the name I proposed:
Debian is open. There _is_ free consulting and support (in
debian-user and #debian) and education (in the form of
documentation). So I wanted to emphasyse "professional".
I'm not sure if an acronym is the best thing here.
And finally, I wanted to try with something like "association",
"community", "organization" - I chosen "collective" because it's
used much less frequently.
> > 1: a kind of self-appointed certification authority for
> > Debian-related consulting and education services - both
> Do you want to provide testing, grading, pass/fail etc, or just
> information and educational curricula?
I didn't think of training consultants/teachers. Perhaps it's
not a good idea to do it as it's usually done... perhaps
something along the lines of debian-mentors is better.
The details of certification... well, the idea is that the group
certifies an individual or company. There are different
certificates, each for a group of services - thus one for
education, one for technical support, one for installation,
whatever. I didn't think of how the certification is granted;
I'd like to have opinions of the prospective members on that.
> > 2: a central knowledge base, so that Debian consultants and
> > educators can enjoy in their work the same advantages Debian
> > offers as a project (a community, peer review, etc)
> In the form of ??? search with htDig ? or are you
> envisioning something like a knowledge base reasoning engine?
I don't know what is a "reasoning engine".
I was thinking of a repository of documents (text files,
basically reports written by members about either an interesting
problem they dealt with or an interesting discussion in some
list/IRC/wherever). These documents would have a keywords field,
so we put up a search engine based on this and presto. If anyone
has a better idea, I'm listening :-)
> > 3: the development of an "official" Debian learning program, so
> > that certified Debian Collective teachers around the world
> Same comment as #1
The idea here is developing curricula that members would use to
teach non-members (customers). Probably just using the curricula
would be almost enought to certificate this member as Debian
educator... apart from checking some knowledge, of course.
> The consultants, and how to contact them, needs to be made public and
This is the idea. But, what do you think about membership vs.
certification? If they are different, do we list all members or
the certificated ones?
> The Educational framework, and Knowledge base needs to be public and
I agree about the educational curricula, but not the KB. I think
the KB would be to big and detailed for general consumption,
that's why I suggested that portions of it are periodically
"distilled" into a public version of the KB or even into the
> Advertising banner rotation of member banners (and others?) needs to be
I'm not sure on this. What do others think?
> Then, If there is enough "good" to progress to some type of "Certification"
> program, this could be a revenue stream for those giving the classes,
> not to mention supporting the organization.
> There are a LOT of FAQ's and HOW-TO's, there are no training
> curriculum material that I know of. This is a good idea, but
> we need to put together quality material BEFORE we make the
> light-speed-jump to seminars and Certification classes.
Classes? I didn't think of certification in this way. Surely I
don't want to require someone to attend to a $1000+ course to be
a "certified Debian consultant", this would oppose the spirit of
Debian and undermine the international nature of the Collective.
I am Lalo of deB-org. You will be freed.
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