Re: the messy situation (was Re: About XteamLinux)
On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 11:36:24AM +0800, bounce-debian-simplified-chinese=foka=ualberta.ca@lists.debian.org wrote:
> Anthony Fok wrote：
> >On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:53:03AM +0800, hashao wrote:
> >> We could but I don't know if we want to. Do we want to position
> >> ourselves as the judge of Free Software in Chinese community? People
> >> will not like it and attack Debian as self-promoting.
>
> Nothing wrong for promoting Debian. As even RMS do it. But whether shall
> us paint ourselves as Free Software judge in China is another question. I
> personally don't think we shall step in (semi-)officially as RMS put it
> that the whole China copyright law is just a mess!
你說的是。我上兩個星期不知怎的變得「大膽」起來，卻也似乎不經大腦
就說話。你們說得對，Debian 不必當「評判」或「法官」，那將是自大、愚笨
和不友善的作法。我們 Debian 作為國內各 Linux 的「朋友」、「中文化同盟」、
「自由軟件表樣」等等倒可以。 ^_^
> And there is no even a safe or assured place for free speech in China.
> What can you really do in such a stupid place?
似乎有點_柏楊_先生所著的《醜陋的中國人》之感嗎？ ^_^
這個我也有點百感交集，北望神州，對祖國又敬又怕又恨又愛……
這裡不時聽到中國政府對於異己份子完全不放過，全當作「政治犯」，
另外又迫害天主教等的信友和神職人員等，例如龔主教無辜的被囚
二十、三十多年至死。唉，為什麼？中國是一個何等美麗的地方，
為什麼連自己人也不放過？唉……
> And even worse is I don't think everybody are following GPL here. You're
> just too easy to be convinced, eh? That's not a easy one to say they're
> doing good now. Let us wait a while and see if they're abeying to GPL, and
> see if they could do qualified work as a Linux distributor as not to be
> even not capble to handle their pity silly little website.
國內的網費這麼費，也勉強可以諒解他們的苦處。
至於他們是否真誠，如你所意味的，「路遙知馬力，日久見人心」。
> And let us wait and going download their source and compile to see if that
> is the same binary as that in their CDROM distribution. That would be a
> tough battle with them lusers here. But who even really cares? Let's
> promote Debian for ease! The pitty thing here is in China there is no a
> RMS-like free software big contributor, no Bruce Perens here. Only, you
> all know, very pitty CEOs. THEY are standing for free software? Are you
> joking?
我很同情你的疑慮，畢竟以往國人對 GNU GPL 的紀錄的確不好。
> >Good point. Perhaps the written could be signed "anonymous"?
>
> I can't agree. Anonymous is here in this case a just too-bad
> attitude, and too weak yah.
讚同。
> >Just a observatory article explaining that the license issues
> >in all major Chinese Linux distributions have already been dealt with,
>
> [No intention to offense. I respect your work.]
> But are you joking? You've just sent somewhat around 5 or six
> emails and say they're doing good? Does this message be
> brought to me by a word leading with letter C and end with hildish?
不錯，我承認我是非常非常的幼稚和天真，而我上兩個星期的建議的確
是太魯莽。不過，我就是不相信我們中國人全部都是貪商、自私的人。
我相信自由軟件在中國總有開花結果的一天。 希望在人間。
我跟幾個國內 Linux 發布的 e-mail 通信，紅旗的朋友尤其十分
友善地和耐心地解釋他們的情況，也應允了盡力開放其系統及源代碼。
SRPMS 已經暫時托國內友站主持公開了，八月後轉換了網絡連線後再自己主持。
現在更把本來是專利的 yh 炎黃中文平台的源代碼和白皮書公開以 GNU GPL
放出來了。這可不就表明了紅旗開發人員實踐自由軟件的精神麼？
不錯，我們還要「放長雙眼」看，不要太幼稚。
但另一方面，既然國內的 Linux 商戶一步一步的，越來越遵守自由軟件
規條和精神，以表誠意，我們怎能不給他們回報友善呢？
"Honey attracts more bees than vinegar does." (or is it "flies"? :-)
循循善誘，總比一味指責的收效大嘛。 ^_^
我寧可天真一點，多點希望，多點信任；當然也不要太天真。
中庸之道也。中國人總有真、善、美的一面吧！四海之內皆兄弟，
我不信任自己的兄弟，還有誰可信？ ^_^
> >i.e. no one is breaking any rules any more. :-)
> If things are such simple, I'd guess Bruce Perens like persons are
> just doing FUD towards the opposite?
> The simple and straight thing to do is just forget them all and promote
> Debian, develope Debian Chinese support, raise people's awareness to the
> importance of Free Software. IMHO.
宣揚自由軟件的同時，如果能夠彼此互相信任，交個朋友，交流切磋，
共同為中文化努力，那就更好了。
談夠了，回去搞 Debian。 ^_^ 互勉之！
東東
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Anthony Fok Tung-Ling Civil and Environmental Engineering
foka@ualberta.ca, foka@debian.org University of Alberta, Canada
Debian Chinese Project -- http://www.debian.org/international/chinese/
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