Re: User support for the debian-chinese-*
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We are not discuss about encoding.
We are discuss about whether merge traditional chinese and simple
chinese or not.
Yufeng Lan wrote:
> 没说强制，只是推荐使用统一码的utf-8方案，以便让计算机兼容处理其它语言文
字，至于用户是否使用中文，我个人不在乎；由于技术问题不能使
> 用utf-8的，用户有自由使用其它编码，或者即使使用utf-8，却加密只给看得懂
的某些人看（和debian/debian-
> chinese相关主题），或者使用罕见的术语。 既积极使用公开的开放标准，又支
持老用户和旧的使用方式，这是最好的发展方向，不是么？
>
> 的确，debian-chinese应该主要使用中文，但是也有特殊情况使用其它语言文字
的，我只是强调这是unicode的特点之一，不是说
> 鼓励大家使用非中文，或使用中文讨论非debian/debian-chinese相关话题。
>
> 我们讨论的不是技术问题，而是一个列表管理问题，没必要太过分讨论技术的细
微末节，即： 1. 是否合并gb和big5列表? 2. 如果合
> 并，列表是否自动进行简繁中文转换？并评估技术难度和需求。 3. 如果合并，
是否保留原有的gb/big5列表? 4. 如果不合并，是否创
> 建新的邮件列表？....
>
> 谢谢分享你的意见。 2008/5/22 Copacabunny <cxcxcxcx@gmail.com>:
>
>> big5和gb编码共存不是问题吧，maillist在这方面好像也不会有问题，由于大家
使用的邮件客户端不同，所以为了方便没有必要强制
>> 改用utf-8编码吧。使用少数民族语言我认为是会影响阅读理解的，debian的讨
论我想按语言分就好，而没有必要按所谓国家、民族分。
>> 个人认为交流方便是最重要的，编码可能解决了传输问题，但不能解决人理解不
了不同民族语言的问题。
>>
>>
>> 所以我个人的观点是：虽然支持简繁邮件列表的合并，但认为不必要使用UTF-
8，也不需在这个汉语邮件列表中合并入非汉语的少数民族文字。
>> 如果少数民族朋友确有需要，可以去相应语言的讨论区，或讨论申请新的列表。
>>
>> 2008/5/21 Yufeng Lan <nlany.web@gmail.com>: 抱歉延迟回复，我想鼓励大家
都订使用utf8
>> 的统一中文用户列表，但是我担心有历史遗留问题（前面有的邮件谈到技术、文
化、个人偏好上的困难），同时考虑到保存一个多样化的中文环境，
>> 简单的办法就是保留历史（
>>> 至少50年不变:)
>>>
>> )，当然这要看社区资源是否允许这么"浪费"，其实喜欢"纯"简体和繁体的用户
也可以设立邮件列表（反正g00g1e等免费提供，他们自己
>> 可以选举管理员，我也希望将来加入这些特殊的讨论组）。
>>> 订阅2－3个邮件列表对我不是麻烦，我个人没问题。
>>>
>>>
>> 不限语言，只要是想在华人世界讨论，什么语言都包容，包括维吾尔、藏文、德
语、俄语、火星文、骇客语，这也是UTF8的优势。不然又有人或
>> 组织会抗议文化灭绝了。我们在某些文化问题上还是要注意，资源允许的条件下
尽量包容，这对我们的社区有好处。
>>> 大家都提了不少好的建议，我个人非常高兴看到这么多好的点子。
>>>
>>> 2008/5/19 Zhan <zhan@games.com>:
>>>> why, just so to have less users per list. if most users end
>>>> up subscribe to all three, why not just merge them.
>>>>
>>>> 为什么，那样每个邮件列表上的人会更少。估计很多人会订阅两三个，为什么
不直接合并。
>>>>
>>>> 不限语言？我希望中文列表上还是看中文好。英文勉强接受，至少大家懂。其
它的还是不要了。
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 19 May 2008 15:50:57 +0800, Yufeng Lan
>>>> <nlany.web@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 同意，保持繁体的继续生存。 debian-chinese@lists.debian.org 默认用
utf8，不限语言，
>>>>> 当然用户大部分是华人。 其他保持原状不变，一国3码。
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Shih-Yuan Lee
>>>>> (FourDollars) < fourdollars@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My opinion is to reopen debian-chinese@lists.debian.org
>>>>>> to use utf8
>> or
>>>>>> to open another mailing list, named as
>>>>>> debian-chinese-utf8@lists.debian.org Keep
>>>>>> debian-chinese-gb@lists.debian.org and
>>>>>> debian-chinese-big5@lists.debian.org for their local
>>>>>> users. Then use traditional chinese in
>>>>>> debian-chinese-big5@lists.debian.org and use simplified
>>>>>> chinese in debian-chinese-gb@lists.debian.org. Use both
>>>>>> of traditional and simplified chinese in
>>>>>> debian-chinese@lists.debian.org/debian-chinese-utf8@lists.debian.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $4
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2008/5/19 Rex Tsai <chihchun@kalug.linux.org.tw>:
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is interesting, this thread is probably one of the
>>>>>>> most active in last couple months. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My option is to merge these two mailing list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even though the list is most helping Debian users solve
>>>>>>> their problems, and users feel more comfortable when
>>>>>>> using the characters they can read. But there are
>>>>>>> already many local user group[1] set up
>> online
>>>>>>> forum for helping out the users, which makes the
>>>>>>> mission of these
>> two
>>>>>>> mailing lists marginal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some people would say Debian is doing very good on
>>>>>>> supporting Chinese. But it does not mean we can stop
>>>>>>> the mailing list. Still, there are many decisions need
>>>>>>> to be made for the new packages and releases. And
>> both
>>>>>>> encodings/languages communities are sharing these
>>>>>>> results of these decisions, since we are sharing the
>>>>>>> basically infrastructures for fonts, input method,
>>>>>>> configurations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The mailing list is the right place to submit
>>>>>>> Chinese-related suggestions, which is the place that
>>>>>>> Debian Developers can discuss
>> and
>>>>>>> work together. A boundary of mailing encodings will
>>>>>>> make this kind
>> of
>>>>>>> discussions difficult. And most of the modern softwares
>>>>>>> support big5/gb2312/unicode without problems, people
>>>>>>> can easily read the messages or translate the encodings
>>>>>>> by themselves. There is not need to split the mailing
>>>>>>> lists by encodings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> best regards - -Rex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1.
>>>>>>> http://www.chinalinuxpub.com/bbs/forumdisplay.php?f=73
>>>>>>> http://www.debsir.org/ http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/
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>>>>>> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to
>>>>>> debian-chinese-gb-REQUEST@lists.debian.org with a subject
>>>>>> of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact
>>>>>> listmaster@lists.debian.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- regards,
>>>>
>>>> Zhan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to
>>>> debian-chinese-gb-REQUEST@lists.debian.org with a subject of
>>>> "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 以Wiki模式创建Linux中文文档，欢迎加入 http://www.linux-wiki.cn/
>>
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