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Re: Bug#697868: network manager is installed when cd2 is also used


On 12/01/13 20:07, Praveen A wrote:
> I think it is an important enough program to be on cd 1.

Yes probably.  A user with only CD1 may need this before they are able
to download more packages or CDs.  (I would have thought maybe synaptic
as well for novice users?).

I can think of a few ways this could be achieved:

1. add network-manager-gnome to debian-cd's tasks/wheezy/forcd1 - this
is no good though, because forcd1 is used for other desktops and not
just the (GNOME) CD1 (apt-offline was added to CD1 for similar reasons
to this, see #630805;  also #231583: bpalogin, a long time ago);  just
adding network-manager would not bring in the necessary GUI I think

2. add network-manager-gnome specially to debian-cd's
tasks/wheezy/Debian-gnome, after the forcd1 include - after all, we are
just trying to manipulate what goes onto CD1.

3. add network-manager-gnome to gnome-core (seems inappropriate)

4. add network-manager-gnome to tasksel's task-gnome-desktop as a
required package - would this be sensible?  Should a task 'require'
something maybe needed by a novice user to set up networking?

Out of curiosity, I did some other analysis:  based on the
popularity-contest file in debian-cd/3.1.10, current wheezy amd64 CD1
only has complete coverage down to rank #148 (libgpm2).  And it has an
assortment of odd packages all the way down to rank #34291 (caribou-antler).

network-manager has rank #869.  There are 278 packages with higher
popcon than network-manager that are not on CD1.  network-manager itself
is quite big;  it also has a lot of dependencies, but fortunately all
are on CD1 already.

The unanswered question is still - what would be displaced by placing
network-manager-gnome on CD1

The xfce CD has network-manager(-gnome).  So if you are limited by
bandwidth, this desktop could be a better choice anyway due to lower
install size and presumably smaller size of updates during its lifetime.
 If a machine can only read CD-ROM but not DVD-ROM then it is probably
quite resource-constrained, and xfce should be better than gnome3 in
this regard also.

The (GNOME) CD1 becomes less useful as the distribution grows in size.
On download pages and in documentation, I would think it best to promote
the various DVD and USB images primarily, followed by either a GNOME CD
*set* (suggesting CD1+2 minimum) or a single XFCE/LXDE CD, followed by
the mini images for netinst/netboot/console-only etc.

There was prior discussion of this at:

Steven Chamberlain

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