Steve I've downloaded 1.08 instead as it was there. Were you aware that in 1.08, vecho is not part of the .deb? Rgds, Andy Chittenden Email: Andrew.Chittenden@madge.com Fax: +44 1753 661011 WAVE Development, Madge Networks Ltd Wexham Springs, Framewood Road, Wexham, Slough SL3 6PJ, England