Re: Hello

[ivan-debian-bsd@420.am]

debian/netbsd is using netbsd libc (debian/freebsd is using glibc).

although it will also be using some netbsd utilities, it is closer to #1
to #2 below.  the important thing to remember is that this is *debian*,
intends to be is an official debian port and will be following debian
policy regarding file locations and the like.

it *isn't* "linux with bsd kernel".

it *is* "debian with bsd kernel"

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_ivan


On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 10:39:28AM +0100, Michael Ritzert wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Dan Walrond <djw@compsoc.dur.ac.uk> schrieb am 10.01.03 00:02:10:
> 
> > Obviously the kernel. I and think there's something else like glibc.
> 
> Why glibc? Wouldn?t that make debian netbsd incompatible to the netbsd mainstream?
> IMHO, the core libraries should remain identical. I'm aware that this will probably make porting of some of the debian utilities more difficult.
> 
> Actually, there are two alternatives approaches to such a port:
> 
> 1) implant a BSD kernel in a debian system
> 2) take a BSD base system (a small but fully functional CLI oriented unix with netbsd specific
>     admin structure (startup files, location of config data), implant the debian packaging system 
>     and add all the rest as .deb packages
> 
> 1) will lead to something like a "linux with BSD kernel" 
> 2) might evolve to something more acceptable to the BSD mainstream 
> 
> What do we want to have? At present, i am tending more toward 2)  (reason: broader audience)
> but i am convincable of alternatives.
> 
> > Hopefully someone will be able to deny or comfirm that, as I can't
> > remember off hand.
> > 
> > > Will, for
> > > example, NetBSD-debian simply be a NetBSD bootdisk (i.e., an
> > > absolutely minimal BSD system) + debian package system + netbsd
> > > software in debian packages? Or is a larger base system
> > > necessary/desirable?
> > 
> > Interesting... Personally the full Debian userland would be nice. Maybe
> > including the NetBSD version of some tools would be a good idea.
> 
> Well, aren't they already part of linux, especially ash?
> 
> > 
> > > Is there any concept of this? Are the two
> > > existing ports identical in this respect or do they differ?
> > 
> > That's something I can't answer. Hopefully someone on the list can.
> > 
> > > Which
> > > versions of NetBSD and Debian sources do we base on?  I have a cdrom
> > > image of NetBSD 1.5.2 an a full Debian 3.0/intel including sources.
> > > Would this be an appropraite basis to start with?
> > 
> > I have NetBSD 1.6 which I downloaded last week. Debian 3.0 seems a
> > sensable start.
> 
> For a good start we should simply define an initial version and freeze that until the 1st release.
> 
> 
> > 
> > Is it a problem if we build software on different OSes for cross
> > compiling? Might actually be easier to cross compile. I would probably
> > install linux on one for the other disks.
> 
> I agree. 
> 
> Michael
> 
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > 
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_ivan