On May 05, Ansgar Burchardt <ansgar@debian.org> wrote: > I would like to re-evaluate what we change by default for Stretch, that Me too. Let's look at the problem from a different point of view. This is what I remove when building cloud images for my employer's infrastructure: dpkg --purge \ discover discover-data libdiscover2 installation-report laptop-detect \ nano tasksel tasksel-data task-english acpi acpid acpi-support-base \ isc-dhcp-client isc-dhcp-common eject \ nfacct libmnl0 libnetfilter-acct1 emacsen-common libsigc++-2.0-0c2a \ pciutils usbutils libpci3 libusb-1.0-0 \ dictionaries-common iamerican ibritish ienglish-common ispell wamerican (And I wonder where emacsen-common comes from...) Maybe hw-detect should differentiate between phisical and virtual targets? So, another obvious candidate for demotion are ispell and friends. > * It would be nice to have "init" demoted from required to > important: it is not needed in environments like (buildd) chroots. We systemd maintainers strongly agree. > * Same for question for "dmidecode": could the priority be lowered to > "standard"? I think that this is fine, as long as it is still available in d-i. But laptop-detect (which I do not understand why it is being installed on something that is very obviously not a laptop) depends on it. > - logrotate, rsyslog: > -> tempted to demote to "standard", but maybe only in buster Maybe rsyslog, but I do not think that we can do without logrotate even if nobody looks at the logs. OTOH, why should it be explicitly installed? Everything that uses it already depends on it. > - nfacct: > No idea why this is at Priority: important. > -> demote to "optional" Even extra... This is a very niche package and I have no idea why it is being installed everywhere! > - dnsutils: > bind9-host provides a (limited) DNS query interface. No need to > install both bind9-host and dnsutils by default. > -> demote to "optional" I disagree about this one: the installed size is only 374 kB and host is not really a replacement for dig, which is invaluable when you actually need to troubleshoot DNS issues (even just looking at the difference between NXDOMAIN and SERVFAIL when a domain does not resolve, or even worse DNSSEC issues...). > - bsd-mailx, exim4*, procmail, mutt: > Often not useful on desktop systems, has popular alternatives, > probably not needed in chroot/container environments either. > -> demote to "optional" Everything that needs them already depends on them. Also, can we finally replace exim with postfix as the default for stretch? :-) > - mlocate: > Rarely used (AFAIK). > -> demote to "optional" I think that it is useful enough that is deserves to be standard. > - w3m: > I think text-mode browsers are not worth including in the default > install. It is *very* rare to not have another computer to use. Agreed. > - whois: > Too special to include in standard install. > -> demote to "optional" As the maintainer I think that I have to agree... -- ciao, Marco
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