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Bug#579167: marked as done (tasksel: is it really necessary to install gnome-accessibility on each and every system?)

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has caused the Debian Bug report #579167,
regarding tasksel: is it really necessary to install gnome-accessibility on each and every system?
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Package: tasksel
Version: 2.81
Severity: minor
Tags: squeeze

Hi,  one of the first things that I do on each freshly installed Debian desktop
system is deinstalling the gnome-accessibility packages, i.e. dasher, gok and
gnome-orca plus all of their dependencies. The reason is, I am lucky enough to
not depend on any of these software for my daily work. On the other hand I
wonder (and this is really more of a question than a statement) if it is really
necessary to have all these packages installed by default? I mean, is it
possible at all for a person with disabilities to install Debian and use it
from d-i on without the help of another person? And if the answer is "no",
couldn't we expect this helping person to also install all the necessary
accessibility packages, too? Please reconsider if gnome-accessibility does have
to get installed by default. Please don't get me wrong, but I believe the
number of computer users with disabilities who can use their computer ad-hoc
just because gnome-accessibility is installed is rather low. If you find this
bug report inappropriate, please feel free to close it.  Cheers, Fabian


-- System Information:
Debian Release: squeeze/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (550, 'unstable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.32-4-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core)
Locale: LANG=de_DE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=de_DE.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash

Versions of packages tasksel depends on:
ii  aptitude                      0.6.1.5-3  terminal-based package manager (te
ii  debconf [debconf-2.0]         1.5.30     Debian configuration management sy
ii  liblocale-gettext-perl        1.05-6     Using libc functions for internati
ii  tasksel-data                  2.81       Official tasks used for installati

tasksel recommends no packages.

tasksel suggests no packages.

-- debconf information:
  tasksel/first: Graphical desktop environment, Laptop, Standard system utilities
  tasksel/tasks:
  tasksel/title:
  tasksel/desktop: gnome

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--- Begin Message --- 
Fabian Greffrath wrote:
> Hi,  one of the first things that I do on each freshly installed Debian desktop
> system is deinstalling the gnome-accessibility packages, i.e. dasher, gok and
> gnome-orca plus all of their dependencies. The reason is, I am lucky enough to
> not depend on any of these software for my daily work. On the other hand I
> wonder (and this is really more of a question than a statement) if it is really
> necessary to have all these packages installed by default? I mean, is it
> possible at all for a person with disabilities to install Debian and use it
> from d-i on without the help of another person? And if the answer is "no",
> couldn't we expect this helping person to also install all the necessary
> accessibility packages, too? Please reconsider if gnome-accessibility does have
> to get installed by default. Please don't get me wrong, but I believe the
> number of computer users with disabilities who can use their computer ad-hoc
> just because gnome-accessibility is installed is rather low. If you find this
> bug report inappropriate, please feel free to close it.  Cheers, Fabian

Mario Lang wrote in http://bugs.debian.org/471410#39
| `What if, for example, you walk up to a friend/coworker and talk about
| some issue.  You end up wanting to show them something, so you'd
| actually like to login on tehir Linux machine with accessibility enabled
| so that you can work together on the project.  However, since nobody
| thought their machine would ever be used by a disabled person, the
| necessary software would not be installed.'
| 
| `That is why I think ultimately, accessibility infrastructure needs to be part
| of the default desktop installation.  There are a few other scenarios as well,
| like public workstations (for instance in universities) running Linux.
| Currently, for them to be accessible, the admin staff needs to know all the ins
| and outs of accessibility, or they at least have to make a conscious decission
| about providing it to users.  If accessibility would work by default,
| the chance of success for disabled people trying to find an accessible
| computer would be much higher.'

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