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Re: Complaint about apt installing Recommends by default.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 04:37:57PM -0400, Eric Renfro wrote:
> I'm seriously.. VERY seriously enraged by the very thought of Debian
> moving to preconfigure and install "Recommends" by default. This is
> the worst decision Debian could ever make. That very one thing is
> one of my biggest complaints about Ubuntu doing so and strongly
> /VERY/ strongly insist it not be done.

Actually, the fact that Debian has not done so for a long time in the
past was one of apt's most-reported bugs, and rightly so.

As a result of that, many packages listed in Recommends: are now more of
a "strong suggests" rather than a "weak depends", as recommends are
supposed to be; and as such, the current default behaviour is indeed not
exactly perfect.

However, given time, this will fix itself.

> I have been a Debian user since way back when, and I completely
> disagree with this decision. Recommends should NOT be treated as if
> Required, ever.

They are not.

> I will firmly say this. It is completely stupid to, by default,
> install Recommends. In the past, only Ubuntu has ever done this, and
> it is by far, one of the stupidest things they have ever done.
> Absolutely /no/ other reasonable distribution does this.

That is because no other "reasonable" distribution has a concept even
remotely similar to Recommends, since rpm does not know "suggests" or
"recommends", only "depends".

Don't lose your sleep over it.

The biometric identification system at the gates of the CIA headquarters
works because there's a guard with a large gun making sure no one is
trying to fool the system.

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